Orion D5000 v. Hifonic BXI2608

[Deutscher]

Hi,

I'm interested in getting a Orion HCCA15.2 subby. They have replacement cones so thats a good thing. I was wondering which amp would be a better choice.. I see most people with the D5000 but reason is I've got the BXI2608.. my gf is taking my old sub off me so I might be able to give her that amp aswell ... she was going to get the BXI2610 instead. So I'll have to give her some money to make up the difference.

The price of a new BXI2610 is $711 while the D5000 is $953. So there is a price difference. I was wondering which you guys would go for?

[Deutscher]

Ok, funds are a bit low.
Would a Hifonic BXI2608 be powerful enough to power the Orion HCCA15.2?
In ratings... 2608 is 2600x1 at 1ohm

[Deutscher]

Could someone please let me know which they think would be better suited for the particular sub.

Orion HCCA 15.2

These SPL woofers are most impressive. Orion HCCA subwoofers might possibly be the baddest subs on the planet. Hands down. With its massive 4" high temp voice coil and immense motor, this subwoofer can reach as much as a 4" excursion. A higher excursion equals more bass! Orion HCCA subs have a long history of competition dating back 8-years or more. Why are they so efficient? Why are there so many positive reviews?

Orion made these subwoofers with extreme quality control. They listened to the SPL crowd and dished out a high powered durable subwoofer that can handle its own weight in a match. To keep your sub going Orion offers a field replaceable cone kit so your never out of the game. Everything on this woofer is enhanced from its voice coil cooling system to the conex spiders. This sub will take whatever you throw at it and trust us, it is power hungry.

15" HCCA Series Subwoofer
Power Handling:
Peak: 4000 watts
RMS: 2000 watts
Impedance: Dual 2 ohms
Polypropylene cone
Wide foam surround
Dual Flat Conex Spiders with Loop/Stitched Tinsel Lead
Field Replaceable Cone / Voice coil / Spider Assembly
4” copper Wound Voice Coil on an Aluminum Former, High temperature PAARC (Polyester Amide, Amide Resin Coated)
Enhanced voice coil cooling system (forced convection – aluminum heat sinking – shorting rings to reduce inductive heating)
Sensitivity: 84 dB

Subwoofer Specifications
Subwoofer Size 15"
Voice Coil(s) Dual (2 voice coils)
Impedance (per voice coil) 2 ohms
Peak Power Handling 4000 watts
RMS Power Handling 2000 watts
Woofer Surround Wide Foam
Woofer Composition Polypropylene
Sealed Box Volume 1.9 - 2.5 cubic feet
Ported Box Volume 3.5 cubic feet
Sensitivity 87 dB
Frequency Response 24 - 250 Hz
Xmax (millimeters) 30 mm
Top Mount Depth 11-5/8"
Cutout Diameter 15-1/16"
Recommended Enclosure Type Ported Sealed

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Orion HCCA - D5000

Amplifier Specifications
Number of Channels 1 - Mono
RMS Power (4 ohms) 1000 watts x 1 channel
RMS Power (2 ohms) 1600 watts x 1 channel
RMS Power (1 ohm) 2500 watts x 1 channel
Bridged RMS Power Not Bridgeable
Total RMS Power Output 2500 watts
Peak Power Output 5000 watts
Minimum Impedance Unbridged 1 ohm
Minimum Impedance Bridged Not Bridgeable ohms
THD at Rated RMS Power < 1%
Speaker Level Inputs No
Preamp Outputs 1 Pair
Built-in Crossover N/A
High-Pass Crossover Frequency N/A
Low-Pass Crossover Frequency 30 - 250 Hz
Subsonic Filter N/A
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 59 dB
Channel Separation N/A
Bass Boost 0 - 18 dB
Bass/Gain Remote Yes
Fan Cooled N/A
Fuse Rating N/A

5000W HCCA High Current Competition Class D Monoblock Amplifier
RMS Power Output:
4 Ohms: 1000 watts x 1 chan.
2 Ohms: 1600 watts x 1 chan.
1 Ohm: 2500 watts x 1 chan.
10dB of boost with INTELLi Q
Remote Gain capable
Selectable AUX out
Additional Power Output: 2500 Watts RMS at 1 ohm
Massive loosely-regulated MOSFET power supply
IntelliQ Bass Optimization Circuit and Remote Gain Control
Heavy Gauge Direct-wire High Current Power and Speaker Terminals
18dB/octave Low-pass Filter
Dimensions: 22.8"L x 10.2"W x 2.4"H

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Hifonic BXI 2610D
Brutus: The King of D-Super
When it comes to class D monoblock amplifiers, Brutus amplifiers are truly the king of D class. Brutus BXI amps are considered some of the best amplifiers in the world and the new Super-D Class Brutus amplifiers reinforce that. The D-Class digital chip-set technology produces extremely efficient, low temperature, and a high amplification system resulting in a smooth digital to analog conversion with low distortion. The amplifiers stable at 4, 2, and 1 Ohm(s). All in all, that means that the amp will produce more output with less stress on the car's battery and charging system.

Brutus BXI Single-Channel Monoblock Super-D Class Car Amplifier
RMS Power Rating:
4 ohms: 850 watts x 1 chan.
2 ohms: 1700 watts x 1 chan.
1 ohm: 2600 watts x 1 chan.
MOSFET Power supply
Super D-Class amplifier relies on a super-speed enhanced chip-set to produce higher current capacities and more precise digital to analog conversions
Link & Sync feature allows the mono amps to be strapped or bridges via master/slave configuration
Wired remote bass level control included
Power and Protection LED indicators
Built-in system diagnostics offer protection of DC, Speaker short, terminal, and overload
Tuned Bass EQ (0-10 dB bass boost at 45 Hz)
Dampening factor: >250
Single-channel monoblock channel operation
1-Ohm stable
Phase shift: 0-180 degrees
Preamp RCA outputs
Input level control: 0.04V - 18V
Balanced line input for MX accessories and line drivers
Heavy duty aluminum alloy heatsink for extreme heat dissipation
RCA level inputs
Screw terminals
Variable low-pass filter (35-250 Hz, 24 dB/octave)
Subsonic Filter (15-35 Hz at 24 dB)
Frequency response: 35-250 Hz
Dimensions: 11-1/2"L x 9-1/2"W x 2-1/2"H
0-gauge power and ground wiring is required for installation. Contact us for information regarding a discount on select amplifier kits when purchased together with this amplifier.

Amplifier Specifications
Amplifier Class D
Number of Channels 1 - Mono
RMS Power (4 ohms) 850 watts x 1 channel
RMS Power (2 ohms) 1700 watts x 1 channel
RMS Power (1 ohm) 2600 watts x 1 channel
Bridged RMS Power N/A
Total RMS Power Output 2600 watts
Peak Power Output N/A
Total Peak Power Output N/A
Minimum Impedance Unbridged 1 ohm
Minimum Impedance Bridged Not Bridgeable ohms
THD at Rated RMS Power N/A
Speaker Level Inputs No
Preamp Outputs 1 pair
Built-in Crossover Low-pass (LP)
High-Pass Crossover Frequency N/A
Low-Pass Crossover Frequency 35 - 250 Hz
Subsonic Filter 15 - 35 Hz
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 95 dB
Channel Separation N/A
Bass Boost 0 - 10 dB
Bass/Gain Remote Yes
Fan Cooled No
Fuse Rating N/A

[sk8n8]

the orion amp is the go

[StoneX]

Why do you say that? Because the specs are worse than the other?

[holdenboy]

The main differences i can see just by going off the specs are:

* Orion amp dosent have a subsonic filter, whereas the Hifonics does.
* The Orion amp quotes THD whereas the Hifonics dosent.
* The Hifonics amp has almost double the S/N ratio of the Orion.
* The Hifonics amp has 24db/oct. LPF and subsonic filters, the Orion has 18db/oct. LPF only.
* The Hifonics amp comes with a remote bass level controller, the Orion dosent (if that matters).


The Hifonics is also considerably smaller too (length wise).

Yep the Hifonics is better on paper, and is cheaper . In reality theres not too much difference in between the two, except what ive pointed out above. Power-wise there basically the same.

Hope this helps

[StoneX]

I thought about typing all that, but then realised he's just going to import and bypass local business

[Deutscher]

The main differences i can see just by going off the specs are:

* Orion amp dosent have a subsonic filter, whereas the Hifonics does.
* The Orion amp quotes THD whereas the Hifonics dosent.
* The Hifonics amp has almost double the S/N ratio of the Orion.
* The Hifonics amp has 24db/oct. LPF and subsonic filters, the Orion has 18db/oct. LPF only.
* The Hifonics amp comes with a remote bass level controller, the Orion dosent (if that matters).


The Hifonics is also considerably smaller too (length wise).

Yep the Hifonics is better on paper, and is cheaper . In reality theres not too much difference in between the two, except what ive pointed out above. Power-wise there basically the same.

Hope this helps

Hi Thanks for that!
What's the subsonic filters do? from the LPF the orion would be better but not sure what the subsonic filters are for.
S/N ratio ... is higher better or worse? I thought lower is better?
I'll try to find out about the THD for the Hifonic.

I currently own the 2608 version, it seems to go alright. When I read about the HCCA subwoofer ... everyone's using the Orion D5000 amp for it.

[holdenboy]

Subsonic filters are a very low based high pass filter......designed to cut the extra low frequenices (10-25hz typically), this just acts as a "safeguard" for your subwoofer/s.

A higher signal to noise ratio i am led to beleive is better? but i may have got that around the wrong way.

[Deutscher]

Subsonic filters are a very low based high pass filter......designed to cut the extra low frequenices (10-25hz typically), this just acts as a "safeguard" for your subwoofer/s.

A higher signal to noise ratio i am led to beleive is better? but i may have got that around the wrong way.

According to Wiki
In general, higher signal to noise is better; the signal is 'cleaner'.

[holdenboy]

Yep, thought so