VS Ute speakers

[Tom_1569]

Im after a set of decent speakers for the ute. I want them to fit in the existing door pods (stock), I refuse to run a sub, but would consider an amp if its needed.
Im not after loudness or a doof doof system, I mainly listen to country and rock, so mainly after a good sound with decent loudness to it.
Budget is $300.

I was looking at Alpines, but open to suggestions.

Also what is the difference between normal speakers and splits?

[Joe Bellissimo]

The two main types of speakers are Coaxials and Splits. On a coaxial the tweeter is built into the speaker but in splits the tweeter and midwoofer are separated. This will typically allow for a better level of sound quality.

I strongly encourage you to check out the following: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...-5-splits.html

The review can be found here on Just Commodores: Audio development AD6

They are a little over the budget you have in mind but when it comes to listening to rock music, having a good quality speaker is especially important.

I would strongly recommend an amplifier for that set and for any set if you primarily listen to rock. For rock music to sound as it was recorded you need to have the ability to produce midbass and that requires power. Running splits off a head unit will limit its ability to produce the midbass to make rock sound realistic.

Hope that helps

[HCVP]

I'd defenialtely reccomend a set of splits, over coaxials. Particulary in a VS, being that the speaker pod is down relatively low, having the advantage of mounting a seperate tweeter up higher, means your able to project some of the sound upwards towards you.

[VZ-Rob]

G'dat Tom 1569
I run these on seperate amps
they kick really good
6.5" Precision Response Kevlar splits - Jaycar Electronics
for the money you cant go wrong
I listen to heavy R&B ie Stevie Ray V, Robert Cray etc
This is where I mounted the tweeter
Tweeter postitioning
Then if you want a cheaper amp this really works well
the Orion amps kick
Car Sound, Car Amps : JB HI-FI

[Tom_1569]

The two main types of speakers are Coaxials and Splits. On a coaxial the tweeter is built into the speaker but in splits the tweeter and midwoofer are separated. This will typically allow for a better level of sound quality.

I strongly encourage you to check out the following: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...-5-splits.html

The review can be found here on Just Commodores: Audio development AD6

They are a little over the budget you have in mind but when it comes to listening to rock music, having a good quality speaker is especially important.

I would strongly recommend an amplifier for that set and for any set if you primarily listen to rock. For rock music to sound as it was recorded you need to have the ability to produce midbass and that requires power. Running splits off a head unit will limit its ability to produce the midbass to make rock sound realistic.

Hope that helps

Thanks for that, I did set a budget of $300 for speakers, mainly because I dont need anything over the top, more quality then loudness. Im slightly flexible, what sort of amp would you recommend to run the speakers you recomend. Thanks for the advice to.

I'd defenialtely reccomend a set of splits, over coaxials. Particulary in a VS, being that the speaker pod is down relatively low, having the advantage of mounting a seperate tweeter up higher, means your able to project some of the sound upwards towards you.

Thanks to, all starting to make sense now

G'dat Tom 1569
I run these on seperate amps
they kick really good
6.5" Precision Response Kevlar splits - Jaycar Electronics
for the money you cant go wrong
I listen to heavy R&B ie Stevie Ray V, Robert Cray etc
This is where I mounted the tweeter
Tweeter postitioning
Then if you want a cheaper amp this really works well
the Orion amps kick
Car Sound, Car Amps : JB HI-FI

Cheers mate, that was my next question of where to mount the tweeter lol. For some reason Ive never been a fan of Jaycar speakers, and to this day I dont know why, but I dont like them lol, but thanks for the heads up, Ill still consider these.

[Joe Bellissimo]

One of the steg amplifiers on my website would be the most apporopriate amplifier to run those speakers. That said, one of the cheaper ones would do just fine, I'm just a perfectionist

[Tom_1569]

One of the steg amplifiers on my website would be the most apporopriate amplifier to run those speakers. That said, one of the cheaper ones would do just fine, I'm just a perfectionist

Im a perfectionist to, but Im also working on a budget as music isnt my main priority. The steg amps are definitly out of my range of what im willing to spend on an amp/setup. Would the speakers be alright running off the headunit, then if I dont like Ill consider an amp.

[Joe Bellissimo]

Yeah they would work and they would sound good since they're great speakers. But they would sound dramatically better with an amplifier. You could always add an amplifier later if you wanted. If you do it in steps you can always stop once you achieve the quality you are looking for.

[Tom_1569]

Yeah they would work and they would sound good since they're great speakers. But they would sound dramatically better with an amplifier. You could always add an amplifier later if you wanted. If you do it in steps you can always stop once you achieve the quality you are looking for.

Sweet, thats seems like the go at the minute. Ill let you know when Im ready for a set (long term plans).

[Joe Bellissimo]

No worries

[Luke0011]

The two main types of speakers are Coaxials and Splits. On a coaxial the tweeter is built into the speaker but in splits the tweeter and midwoofer are separated. This will typically allow for a better level of sound quality.


They are a little over the budget you have in mind but when it comes to listening to rock music, having a good quality speaker is especially important.

I would strongly recommend an amplifier for that set and for any set if you primarily listen to rock. For rock music to sound as it was recorded you need to have the ability to produce midbass and that requires power. Running splits off a head unit will limit its ability to produce the midbass to make rock sound realistic.

Hope that helps

Seriously Joe how is one type of music (rock) especially important to have a good quality speaker. ???

And any speaker produces midbass, and power isnt the most mitigating factor to produce a warm, rich and colourful sound moreover the speakers front and rear wave being isolated as much as possible and its angle of direction will reuslt in more efficiency thus creating the desired tighter and warmer midbass frequency response and less power needed to produce such warmer sound.

I'd defenialtely reccomend a set of splits, over coaxials. Particulary in a VS, being that the speaker pod is down relatively low, having the advantage of mounting a seperate tweeter up higher, means your able to project some of the sound upwards towards you.

Mounting the tweeter anywhere other than next to the woofer completly ruins the imaging and staging of sound and the frquency response ( sound quality ). Although yes it does project the sound upwards as it its up anyway.

[VZ-Rob]

G'dat Tom 1569
just put some 4" TX4001 mid splits in the kick panel $150au delivered
Frq 74Hz-20kHz
Power (RMS) 75
Peak Music Power 150
Sensitivity @ 2.83V 90dB

together with the 6 1/2 Response splits in the doors
Really kicks ass now
IMO for the $$ the sound will blow the AD6's away anyday
the set-up now is 6 1/2 woofer in the door pods
4" woofer in the kick panels
tweeters in the doors near top vent
tweeters in factory position
12" sub in tray
seperate matched amps for woofes and tweeters
amp for sub

[Tom_1569]

Debate, I like debates. Sits back and listens

Thanks VZ-Rob, Have you got pics of them mounted in the kick panel, I dont think it would be possible in the VS.

Everyone else, Im still open to suggestions until i've bought a set

[HCVP]

Seriously Joe how is one type of music (rock) especially important to have a good quality speaker. ???

And any speaker produces midbass, and power isnt the most mitigating factor to produce a warm, rich and colourful sound moreover the speakers front and rear wave being isolated as much as possible and its angle of direction will reuslt in more efficiency thus creating the desired tighter and warmer midbass frequency response and less power needed to produce such warmer sound.



Mounting the tweeter anywhere other than next to the woofer completly ruins the imaging and staging of sound and the frquency response ( sound quality ). Although yes it does project the sound upwards as it its up anyway.

IMO mounting the tweeter anywhere near the woofer sounds crap. Particulary when the woofer is mounted low down in the door, why project the sound upwards from around your feet, and also consider the difference in sound when carrying a passenger as oposed to being the only person in the vehicle. And i have to agree with Joe about a quality speaker when it comes to rock music, strong midrange is vital for that style of music, compared to say rap, or RnB where you can get away with just having a good amount of high's and low's.

[Philthy]

I have my tweeters mounted down on the speaker pods in my VS, facing up towards me. I hate the fact that I have to have my leg in a certain position to get ideal sound. They were originally put down there temporarily until I did a fancy door trim, but that was about a year ago.

After experimenting with positions a LOT, I will either be putting them in the stock positions or up higher on the door trim (possibly on the vents). These are type-x splits and the crossover is setup differently depending on the position of the tweeter in relation to the woofer/driver, so that helps with staging/response, although I don't always agree with the calculated crossover settings

[Robbo VS3]

Mounting the tweeter anywhere other than next to the woofer completly ruins the imaging and staging of sound and the frquency response ( sound quality ). Although yes it does project the sound upwards as it its up anyway.

Then you might as well just have coaxials. Is'nt the whole point of component speakers to get the tweeter away from the woofer?

[HCVP]

G'dat Tom 1569
just put some 4" TX4001 mid splits in the kick panel $150au delivered
Frq 74Hz-20kHz
Power (RMS) 75
Peak Music Power 150
Sensitivity @ 2.83V 90dB

together with the 6 1/2 Response splits in the doors
Really kicks ass now
IMO for the $$ the sound will blow the AD6's away anyday
the set-up now is 6 1/2 woofer in the door pods
4" woofer in the kick panels
tweeters in the doors near top vent
tweeters in factory position
12" sub in tray
seperate matched amps for woofes and tweeters
amp for sub

I have to say i tend to disagree a little bit with you there, about outperforming the AD's. In one way yes, you probably right, but consider a few things. The 6.5 inch driver from the response series, is not bad at all, for the money you spend, but it's nothing spectacular, easily outgunned by much more expensive speakers, though as it should be. Adding an extra 4 inch mid driver, is going to increase your midrange levels, but now have look at the tweeters that come with the Jaycar splits, i've personally installed set of these tweeters as a replacement for someone, and again for the money you pay, you can't go wrong, but i wouldn't rate them for their performance especially if your now running 2 sets of midrange drivers. The tweeters that came with my AD's, are what have impressed me so far the most. IMO your better of just buying a decent 2 way system , rather than building your own 3 way. But that's just my view on the topic, if it sounds good to you, then ofcourse that's all that matters..

[Joe Bellissimo]

Seriously Joe how is one type of music (rock) especially important to have a good quality speaker. ???

Rock music typically has a lot more going on when compared with rap and rnb. I find that when listening to music such as rock music a speakers shortcomings become apparent very quickly. I can appreciate that I'm simplying things a bit but generally speaking I have found this to be true.

IMO for the $$ the sound will blow the AD6's away anyday
the set-up now is 6 1/2 woofer in the door pods
4" woofer in the kick panels
tweeters in the doors near top vent
tweeters in factory position
12" sub in tray
seperate matched amps for woofes and tweeters
amp for sub

Hehehe, why don't you build that and put it up against my AD6? You will more than likely find it wont sound as good and end up costing more in the end

[Luke0011]

IMO mounting the tweeter anywhere near the woofer sounds crap. Particulary when the woofer is mounted low down in the door, why project the sound upwards from around your feet, and also consider the difference in sound when carrying a passenger as oposed to being the only person in the vehicle. And i have to agree with Joe about a quality speaker when it comes to rock music, strong midrange is vital for that style of music, compared to say rap, or RnB where you can get away with just having a good amount of high's and low's.

Missing the point in that what i was implying that its incorrect to especially have a good speaker for just one type of music. Its especially good to have a speaker for any type of music.
And from a scientific point of view having the sound or frequencies of the sound coming from one point creates the best possible sound quality. And mounting a tweeter in the door with a bit of skill can be positioned so that it does not get in the way of your legs and improves the imaging and staging of the sound compared to it being high and away from the woofer in the door. But hey if you can get the woofer up high too then your laughing.

Then you might as well just have coaxials. Is'nt the whole point of component speakers to get the tweeter away from the woofer?

Component speakers where not designed to move the tweeter away from the woofer. But more so to create better frequency reproduction from there respective speakers.