Which one is better

**holdendude** · 29-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Hey everyone, Im new to this audio thing and dont a much, would you be able to tell me which amp is better??

1st one:
Never used Currently at $51 on ebay.
Fusion Encounter Amplifier- 2 Channel, 300W, EN-AM30020

Peak power output 300W
Frequency response 10Hz - 40kHz
2ch x 70w RMS @ 4 ohms
Bridged: 1ch x 180w RMS @ 4 ohms
High and low pass filters

2nd one:
Used Currently at $49 on ebay.
CLARION APX-4240 4 CH 240W AMP

400 Watts of Maximum Music Power
60W × 4 Into 4 Ohms, 20Hz-20kHz @ < 0.1%THD
90W × 4 Into 2 Ohms, 20Hz-20kHz @ < 0.1%THD
Selectable Bass Boost; 0dB/6dB/12dB @ 50Hz
Independent Front/Rear Adjustable -12db/Oct. High/Low Pass Crossover, 50Hz-300Hz
Gold Plated Connectors; RCA/Speaker/Power
Speaker Level Inputs
Dimensions 13" × 10 7/8" × 2 3/4"

Here's some pics...

**=bullet40=** · 29-10-2009, 12:42 PM

what do you need the amp to power?

**HoldrodeoLT** · 29-10-2009, 12:44 PM

Id say second one.. i think ive had that exact fusion amp and it was nothing but trouble

**Sway_OnVY** · 29-10-2009, 12:47 PM

Fusion stuff seems to have really gone down hill, i had a fusion amp running to fusin 12's, first the amp blew, then i got a kicker amp and it killed the subs. So now i have two clarions and seems to work well, so id say second one too.

**holdendude** · 29-10-2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by =bullet40=

what do you need the amp to power?

A subwoofer, its a Clarion 12" but not sure on the specs, as i havn't got it yet.

I think, but dont quote me on it, its:
Single 4-ohm voice coil
Music peak power (W) 700
Continuous power (W) 250

**Deutscher** · 29-10-2009, 01:14 PM

Neither??
Find a Mono with ~250W (slightly more if possible). Could get a 2channel and bridge to make ~250W.
250W is what your aiming for, slightly more on the amp so you give the amp some headroom and not clip. My quick 2cents.

**=bullet40=** · 29-10-2009, 01:24 PM

neither of those amps a prime for running that sub. i know the fusion amp, as that is what we use to power the subs at work and it really doesnt have that much power behind it , yes it will run it BUT to get the most outta that sub you'd want AT LEAST! 250w rms. have you had a look at the jaycar gear? thats what i run and it will leave you enough leeway to upgrade the sub at a later point and its reasonbly priced !!!

(Jaycar Electronics - Better. More Technical.)

**INNAWE** · 29-10-2009, 01:28 PM

If the fusion says never used but coming from a private seller, would not trust it.
I have been out of the audio game for a hell of a long time now. But from quality wise I would def say the clarion.
But if you want to do it properly and not twice I would follow advise given by Deutscher.

**Joe Bellissimo** · 29-10-2009, 01:38 PM

Are you planning a budget build or is this going to be a permanent system. I'm a firm believing in the moto "do it once and do it right".

**HCVP** · 29-10-2009, 02:19 PM

Firstly are you installing this in a Commodore? I personally wouldn't bother purchasing either of those 2 amps. A 250watt RMS sub, in a vehicle the size of a Commodore, is going to do SFA( and that's giving it 250, which those amps won't). Maybe whilst your stationary it may be audible, but once underway, the extra intrusion noise will most likely drown it out completely. IMO, you'd be better of upgrading your front stage.Subs can sound great in the right application, when installed and tuned properly, but i'd be more inclined to spend my money on something more suitable for day to day listening..My 2 cents..

**StoneX** · 29-10-2009, 02:56 PM

It'll sound fine if you just want a little bass to support your speakers. If you want booming bass, you'll need something different.

And I'd buy neither of those amps. You want at least 250W for it. Ignore the recommendation of a monoblock as they're not made to run 4 ohm subs.

**acarmody** · 29-10-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by HoldenCommodoreVP

Firstly are you installing this in a Commodore? I personally wouldn't bother purchasing either of those 2 amps. A 250watt RMS sub, in a vehicle the size of a Commodore, is going to do SFA( and that's giving it 250, which those amps won't). Maybe whilst your stationary it may be audible, but once underway, the extra intrusion noise will most likely drown it out completely. IMO, you'd be better of upgrading your front stage.Subs can sound great in the right application, when installed and tuned properly, but i'd be more inclined to spend my money on something more suitable for day to day listening..My 2 cents..

My first sub had a huge 160wrms and I still found it awesome. Never a problem with hearing it. It wasn't car rattling bass but it complimented the song nicely.

**Joe Bellissimo** · 29-10-2009, 06:57 PM

OT: My first one was 160rms as well, grew out of that quickly...

**StoneX** · 29-10-2009, 07:15 PM

Mine was 150W and one of the louder subs I've had.

**acarmody** · 29-10-2009, 07:27 PM

Yeah it didn't last long before I got 400wrms of pioneer mono, then 700wrms of Cadence then 1400wrms of Cadence. If only I'd followed your motto at the start Joe.

**Joe Bellissimo** · 29-10-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by StoneX

Mine was 150W and one of the louder subs I've had.

I think you have topped them all with your recent purchase :P

Originally Posted by acarmody

Yeah it didn't last long before I got 400wrms of pioneer mono, then 700wrms of Cadence then 1400wrms of Cadence. If only I'd followed your motto at the start Joe.

I wish I had followed it when I was younger! Now its my job to protect others from our mistakes! lol!

**HCVP** · 29-10-2009, 08:04 PM

I wish I had followed it when I was younger! Now its my job to protect others from our mistakes! lol![/QUOTE]

where were you when i had an 8 inch tornado sub in the bottom draw of my desk, hooked up to a home stereo

**VKCOMMO** · 29-10-2009, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Bellissimo

Are you planning a budget build or is this going to be a permanent system. I'm a firm believing in the moto "do it once and do it right".

i know, we had a big convo on it

**VKCOMMO** · 29-10-2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by holdendude

Hey everyone, Im new to this audio thing and dont a much, would you be able to tell me which amp is better??

1st one:
Never used Currently at $51 on ebay.
Fusion Encounter Amplifier- 2 Channel, 300W, EN-AM30020

Peak power output 300W
Frequency response 10Hz - 40kHz
2ch x 70w RMS @ 4 ohms
Bridged: 1ch x 180w RMS @ 4 ohms
High and low pass filters

2nd one:
Used Currently at $49 on ebay.
CLARION APX-4240 4 CH 240W AMP

400 Watts of Maximum Music Power
60W × 4 Into 4 Ohms, 20Hz-20kHz @ < 0.1%THD
90W × 4 Into 2 Ohms, 20Hz-20kHz @ < 0.1%THD
Selectable Bass Boost; 0dB/6dB/12dB @ 50Hz
Independent Front/Rear Adjustable -12db/Oct. High/Low Pass Crossover, 50Hz-300Hz
Gold Plated Connectors; RCA/Speaker/Power
Speaker Level Inputs
Dimensions 13" × 10 7/8" × 2 3/4"

Here's some pics...

i just got pioneer 2channel 300w amps for 50$ brand new at JB HIFI, were 180 each just because i bought a pair of speakers that were on sale.. keep that in mind

**acarmody** · 29-10-2009, 08:29 PM

Oh crap someone mentioned JB Hi-Fi, everyone, duck'n'cover!

**HCVP** · 29-10-2009, 08:38 PM

Kicker FTW

**Joe Bellissimo** · 29-10-2009, 08:39 PM

No man, Audioline!

**acarmody** · 29-10-2009, 08:44 PM

Boss FTW!!!

**Joe Bellissimo** · 29-10-2009, 08:56 PM

Boss... I should import some American Boss and see how it performs.

**acarmody** · 29-10-2009, 09:01 PM

Nah just hook them up to your test bench and run like 0.5 ohm through the amps and triple its max rating for the subs, literally kill em with fire.

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