HELP rear door and parcel shelf advice

[ryda921]

ive spoken to a few car audio people about havin speakers in rear door or disconect them and put some in parcel shelf or have both

every time i ask one they say have both and another one says disconect them and just have parcel shelf ones no point with ones in doors its like listening with your ankles

will 2 extra speakers make it louder?

what do people think? any advice appreciated

Thanks Ben

[holdenboy]

Why be worrying so much about rear speakers at all?
Anyway, if you that concerned about it i would say the parcel shelf is a "better" spot for rears. I wouldnt recommend going with a set in the rear doors as well.

[ryda921]

ok thanks for that mate i wasnt to sure what to do

dont mean to be anoying but would it make it louder if they were in the door aswell

[VesperZ]

Well I think holdenboy is right, why be concerned in the first place, if your up front you won't really notice the sound coming from the rears. If anything by putting speakers in the rear parcel shelf, the sound will bounce off the rear window. Using logics holdenboy is right by saying parcel shelf is a better spot because the angle it will bounce will be directly forward. But in saying that I don't think it will make that much difference if you get a good set of front splits, the front splits will overpower the rears.

[ryda921]

Thanks for the advice guys

im new in the car scene and just starting to learn about alot of things

[VesperZ]

Hey we all start somewhere, that's what these forums are all about. There's plenty of people willing to share their experience on here which gives you the advantage.

[scozz76]

If you run the doors and parcel shelf together, you'll have to make sure your head unit or amplifier is stable at 2ohms. Otherwise run them separately using an amplifier or two. You could wire them in series to have a total load of 8ohms but that would be pointless.

In my VY the rear door speakers have been disconnected and I'm running 6x9's in the parcel shelf.

Yes the sound will be louder if you have them all running, but why bother. Get yourself good speakers and if needed, a good amp.

[ryda921]

yer im gonna run them of an amp but wasnt sure what to do
what i was gonna do was have a 4 chanel amp for the back and a 2 chanel amp for the front to run the splits but i think i not what i am goin to do

just have the parcel shelf thx for all the help

[Joe Bellissimo]

Are you planning on using a subwoofer?

[ryda921]

yer i am goin to us a sub planing to 5oo watt rms sealed or ported i cant make up my mind

[Joe Bellissimo]

You only need your front speakers running off a 2 channel and and the sub running off a monoblock.

Done.

Which sub are you looking at?

[HCVP]

yer im gonna run them of an amp but wasnt sure what to do
what i was gonna do was have a 4 chanel amp for the back and a 2 chanel amp for the front to run the splits but i think i not what i am goin to do

just have the parcel shelf thx for all the help

I don't mean to sound blunt, but your seriously wasting your time and money, not only putting so much consideration into rear speakers, but to even think about adding a second set, and amplifying them.

Your new to the scene, so i will try and explain it in a way that's easier for you to understand.Ideally, you want most, if not all, of your sound, to be coming front in front of you. This is how i always try to explain it to people-

Imagine that you and i are standing face to face, and are having a converstaion. Now if you were to turn and face your back to me, while i kept talking, try and imagine how my voice would sound. This is what your doing to your soundstage, when you go and add rear speakers. Just like you wouldn't go to a concert, and stand with your back to the stage would you?

Just because your adding another set of speakers, this does not mean it is going to be any louder at all.

[StoneX]

I'd put them in the doors because if I was a rear seat passenger, I wouldn't want the sound behind my head.

Also, the doors make a better enclosure. Better left/right separation. Don't have a subwoofer pounding on them (if a subwoofer is installed).

I'll be putting my new splits in the rear doors.

...Just because your adding another set of speakers, this does not mean it is going to be any louder at all.

Yes, it does.

Try it... Hook 1 speaker up, listen, hook 2nd speaker up, listen, hook 2 more speakers up, listen... It definitely makes it louder.

[HCVP]

Yes, it does.

Try it... Hook 1 speaker up, listen, hook 2nd speaker up, listen, hook 2 more speakers up, listen... It definitely makes it louder.[/QUOTE]

haha, well yes if you put it that way, but the point i was trying to make, you could have 10 speakers in your car, it dosen't mean it will be louder than one set in the front....

[ryda921]

im planing on get 2 Clarion PXW1252 subs
so i should have the front over powering the back speakers im unclear again on what to do now about rear speakers i no its either parcel shelf or rear doors

[HCVP]

Like stone X said, if your running subs, then run your rear speakers in the doors.

[ryda921]

cheers bout the speakers
does anyone no if they are good subs cause i rekon they are alright but im new to this so there is prob better

thx for the info guys

[HCVP]

What price are you paying for those subs? are you planning a sealed, or a ported enclosure? Will it be a pre-fab, or will you build it yourself. Finally, what amp will you use, or what amp are you looking at.
They are a dual voice coil 12'', rated at 500wat RMS. I'm looking at them for $248 on Ryda, personally for $500, i think you could do a lot better than those 2 clarion's. But that's just my opinion ...Why the decision on 2 x 12's?
Because you are new to car audio, i highly reccommend you take your time, and do as much research as you can on the products your interested in.

[acarmody]

There are always better subs, how much you want to spend dictates the sub.

What amp are you going to use to power the subs?

[Joe Bellissimo]

Is the goal sound quality or absolute output?

[ryda921]

reply to holdencommodorevp
i got quote $260 a sub cant remember where though i really dont no bout sealed or ported but i think i might go sealed im goin 2 subs because i like the sound of 2 ive herd 3 with dual subs and i like it alot

reply to acarmody
the amp i was thinkin of gettin was an alpine mrp m1000 is this one alright

reply to joe bellissimo
um my goal is to get a bit of both
would be good if it was loud but good quality aswell

if any body on here could offer me a good setup or something that they would recomend would be much appreciated very appreciated
joe i no u have offered me ur services i have to get bak to you
thx everyone

[Joe Bellissimo]

Ah yes I did.

I'm going to throw my recommendation to you mate, a SINGLE HIGH QUALITY SUB in a WELL DESIGNED PORTED BOX is likely to give you the best result for what you are looking for.

Whats your musical taste? RnB? Rock? Something else?

[ryda921]

alot of electro house hard house all that good stuff lol and some rap n hip hop
i was tols sealed for the fast beats is that right or will a ported box keep up

[Joe Bellissimo]

Hmmz, I may have spoken too soon. The previous comment applies to MOST situations but with the fast beats having a sealed box does have its advantages. That said, a good quality subwoofer with an equal quality amplifier really shouldn't have a problem keeping up with fast beats even if the box is ported.

For rap and hip hop the ported boxes do sound better because if tuned low they can give that deep low frequency extension and play down low with authority.

Email some of your favorite to sales@shoppingsecure.com.au and I will have a listen to them and then I'll shoot you back a couple of ideas.

[ryda921]

sent but not sure if they worked of not