Alpine type X set up

[vz05 boar]

ive been looking at a set up of type x for a while now and cant decide whether to do either of these options:
- put SPX 17 Pro speakers in the four doors with either 2 PDX 4.150 or PDX 4.100 amps running them

- put the SPX 17 Pro speakers in the front doors again with either of the amps (not too sure which one yet) and then put either a 10" or 12" sub in the boot run off either a PDX 1.100 or PDX 1.600

i also would like to know if it is worth it to do all 4 doors then the sub in the boot aswell. im looking for good sound quality but do not want too much bass, thats why i looked at the 4 door option.

im sure there is something around about deadening the doors and boot, but anyway, is it a considerable difference when done?

[holdenboy]

I would go with a set in the front doors, and a 10" sub in the boot. Run them off a PDX 4.100 (100wrms to the fronts and 200wrms to the sub). Simple and effective, wont be bass heavy and relatively cheap.

Definitely look at sound deadening the doors and boot, will make a huge difference

[vz05 boar]

thanks a lot. what sort of place would be able to deaden for me, as im not too confident in doing it

[holdenboy]

Where are you located?

[vz05 boar]

in geelong, vic.

[holdenboy]

Hmm, cant help you there.....a few knowledgeable guys from area will be able to point you in the right direction though

[vz05 boar]

i got a vz and i want to keep the stock headunit in it. would it be hard to rewire it to the amp ect?

[VesperZ]

I'd run the 4 SPX-17 PRO speakers off a PDX 4.100 and run subs seperate off 1 PDX 1.600 or PDX 1.1000 depending on how many subs or how much power you wanna drive.

[holdenboy]

To keep the stock head-unit, and still get decent SQ, you will need a good quality line out converter or processor. They basically convert speaker wires into RCA cables. A few good models off the top of my head are the Cache and Rockford Fostgate 3sixty.

The cache model comes in a 6 channel version (i.e. front, rear and subwoofer) so you effectively run 6 channels of amplifiers to your speakers / sub/s.

The 3sixty has the advantage of a 153 band equalizer, which basically means you have TOTAL control over the sound coming from the head-unit. Probably my choice if going for a SQ setup, but thats my choice.

[Weekend Warrior]

Hit up ASR audio in the sponsors section....ONLY good way to run amps from the stock headunit

[VesperZ]

Hit up ASR audio in the sponsors section....ONLY good way to run amps from the stock headunit

I totally agree... having done this myself I wouldn't have gone any other way, even with the best Line out convertor you'd still be spending less on the mod from ASR audio.

[holdenboy]

I have to keep reminding myself ASR does these mods......*slaps head* lol.

[Deutscher]

To keep the stock head-unit, and still get decent SQ, you will need a good quality line out converter or processor. They basically convert speaker wires into RCA cables. A few good models off the top of my head are the Cache and Rockford Fostgate 3sixty.

The cache model comes in a 6 channel version (i.e. front, rear and subwoofer) so you effectively run 6 channels of amplifiers to your speakers / sub/s.

The 3sixty has the advantage of a 153 band equalizer, which basically means you have TOTAL control over the sound coming from the head-unit. Probably my choice if going for a SQ setup, but thats my choice.

Holy Crap. You recommend the Rockford 3Sixty? I've only heard good things about them, but also a hefty price tag (cheapest on Ebay is $390 for a 3sixty.2)
HoldenBoy, would it be worth getting this unit with my setup? Can I expect to notice a difference? (soundstream trc.6n with soundstream SST-05)

OP, why do you wan keep your original headunit anyway?

[vz05 boar]

its either keep that or put in a touch double din, but im not sure if i want to spent the money on that. maybe

[Deutscher]

its either keep that or put in a touch double din, but im not sure if i want to spent the money on that. maybe

I'd go with an aftermarket headunit, either double din or a single din with a pocket. I always thought the functions and performance would be a lot better from a Aftermarket than a standard with a serperate EQ.

I'm prob most likely wrong, but that's wat I always thought - First thing to do in car audio is change the headunit.

[holdenboy]

Well yeah, i havent had a huge amount of experience with the 3sixty and i havent heard you system Deutscher, so i cant say for sure. I know it has a HEAP of EQ bands and if you spent the time tuning each band i'd say you could make an average sounding system pretty good!

[VesperZ]

Holy Crap. You recommend the Rockford 3Sixty? I've only heard good things about them, but also a hefty price tag (cheapest on Ebay is $390 for a 3sixty.2)
HoldenBoy, would it be worth getting this unit with my setup? Can I expect to notice a difference? (soundstream trc.6n with soundstream SST-05)

OP, why do you wan keep your original headunit anyway?

Well there are 3 reasons I kept my stock head unit:

1. It looks stock and it looks part of the car. To me aftermarket looks chatty and doesn't look like it's meant to be there
2. I don't need a CAT converter for my steering wheel controls which could have easily set me back an extra $200
3. I get the same functionality and quality I got from my old Alpine IDA-X200 head unit without it getting stolen :P

[vz05 boar]

i have ended up getting the following:
- PDX4.100
-2 X SPX17REF
-IVA502ev
and still to come is either the PDX1.100or1.600 and a 10" or 12"

just a quick question; where should i put the component bit, the crossover or whatever the little box is(the boot next to the amp or closer to the speakers) and also what size cables should i use/do you recommend

[holdenboy]

The crossover can either go behind the kick panel or side panel of the dash (theres a cavity there) if you want to hide them. Another option as you suggested is near the amp/s.
It would really depend on the type of install you want to do, and if you want to "show off" the crossovers in the boot install. AFAIK theres no difference in audio when mounting them in the front or rear of the vehicle. The only drawback to mounting them in the boot is you will need to run 2 sets of speaker wiring to the front (1 for the woofer, 1 for the tweeter on each side). If the crossovers are mounted in the front, then only a single run of speaker wiring per side is needed.

What size cables, do you mean power / earth, speaker cables, or both?

Anyway, if youre planning on buying another monoblock amp if would use a single run of 0AWG, then use a distribution block the split the 0AWG into two cables (one for each amp).
As for speaker cables, generally the larger the better, although i personally dont see any point in going larger than 12AWG, 14AWG is suitable for your system too.

Hope this helps.

[VesperZ]

IMO you'd get away with running 4 gauge too. 0 gauge is quite thick and difficult to run and also put through the firewall.

[vz05 boar]

yeah i did mean all the cables. thanks thats great help. do you have any rough idea on the legnths needed

[holdenboy]

I would be getting 6m of your main power cable (or two 6m lengths of 4AWG if you dont want 0AWG). 2-3m of 4AWG earth cables, and if you do go 0AWG then 2-3m of 4AWG power cables and the distribution block.

Depending on where you want to mount the crossovers, you'll need in between 10-20m of speaker cable.
(10m for front mounted crossovers, 20m for rear).