Want to know if this is a good system for my car!

[dah_man_ben]

Heyy. I got a VYII Berlina... went to Strathfield today to get a quote on a new system.

*2x Orion Splits (Front Speakers)
*2x Orion 2ways (Rear Speakers)
*2x Orion 6x9 in parcel shelf for bass (running off my own amp from my old VS)
*Wiring
*Cat10
*Facia surround
*Parcel Shelf grilles
BYO Head Unit

* shows what they are charging me for... the rest I already have

Anyway, I got quoted $1200 installed for all of this... is that good?
I am considering to cut down the price I could leave the 6x9s and just chuck my own subwoofer and amp in the boot which I took out of my VS before I sold it.
However, the whole point of me choosing 6x9 running off of the monoblock is because I wanted to keep my boot space but still have some sort of bass. I was considering 8" Subs but once he told me $299 per sub and they have to cut wooden things for them, I changed my mind haha! My cousin will buy my subwoofer off me for $150 so that will offset the price a bit....

Anyway, let me know your views... how does 6x9s compare with a 12" sub in the boot anyway. I did have BOTH in my VS, however the 6x9 were running off the HU, not an amp. I will most likely leave the back 6x9 at low range or whatever it is called for nicer bass.... anyway comments and feedback would be appreciated as I am not keen on getting ripped off.

Ben.

[HCVP]

So your saying $1200 for 3 sets of speakers?

I have some questyions to ask then.

1- Do you want 4 speakers behind you and only 2 speakers in front of you? Anyone with good knowledge and understadning of audio sytems and setting up soundstages, will tell you no.

2- Out of the 6 speakers, which ones would you be amplifiying.

As far as running 6x9's from a mono block, it can't be done.Well it can but it's pointless.

Seeing as your quote basically covered nothing you really need, no amp, and 4 useless rear speakers, you would be crazy to spend your money there.

You can't run 6x9's in low pass mode for bass duties.6x9's are only an advantage when you are chasing extra bass in full range mode.Any sub added to that, will have bass frequencies louder than the 6x9's making them redundant.

For that money you could get youself a decent front stage, and look at adding a sub, or, decent 6x9's if a sub is out of the option.Ditch your rear door speakers all together, they will do nothing.

[dah_man_ben]

So your saying $1200 for 3 sets of speakers?

I have some questyions to ask then.

1- Do you want 4 speakers behind you and only 2 speakers in front of you? Anyone with good knowledge and understadning of audio sytems and setting up soundstages, will tell you no.

2- Out of the 6 speakers, which ones would you be amplifiying.

As far as running 6x9's from a mono block, it can't be done.Well it can but it's pointless.

Seeing as your quote basically covered nothing you really need, no amp, and 4 useless rear speakers, you would be crazy to spend your money there.

You can't run 6x9's in low pass mode for bass duties.6x9's are only an advantage when you are chasing extra bass in full range mode.Any sub added to that, will have bass frequencies louder than the 6x9's making them redundant.

For that money you could get youself a decent front stage, and look at adding a sub, or, decent 6x9's if a sub is out of the option.Ditch your rear door speakers all together, they will do nothing.

Yeah cheers mate. Maybe I will forget the rear speakers, considering I don't sit in the back seat haha.. and anybody that is in the back should get decent sound from the 6x9s. I have a subwoofer and monoblock already, I could add them into the boot or just have 6x9s.
I'm not looking for huge doof doof, I'm looking for a decent sounding stereo for myself to listen to inside the car, not outside. So if I just have a decent pair of 6x9s which are amplified will this be ample bass? Or should I really be looking at having my sub installed instead?

Cheers,
Ben

[HCVP]

A far as bass is concerned, 6x9's speakers tend to have better bass output because of their larger surface area, compared to your typical round coaxial, or split speaker system.However their bass output, and power handling capabilities, just like any other speaker, are limited.

A sub is designed (as you know) to play bass, and nothing but.A sub will also extend lower into the frequency range, and will have more authority with anything under 100hz.It really depends on what your after.

6x9's, all though frowned upon fairly often these day's, still have their place when used right.A decent set (and i mean good ones, $250+) properly amplified with an equally good front stage, can still very good, and be just plain old fun when listening to your music.

It comes down to what you want, and how you want it to sound.If your happy to go the sub route, then you may aswell leave the rear speaker upgrade out of it all toghether.Aside from the addition of a sub, your front speakers are going to provide the most audible difference in theupgrade.Seeing as they play more of the music than any other speaker, they can be seen as being the most important.

[holdenboy]

Just adding to what HCVP has said, a good set of front speakers properly amped will be easily heard in the back seat. Alot of people leave the rear speakers out of the system altogether (not connected at all).

[dah_man_ben]

Okay, I think I have changed my mind now.
I will most likely have my subwoofer in the boot, definitely upgrading the front speakers with something decent and HU... But the rear speakers.
I know you said I might aswell leave them out, well my uncle has some sony's he will give me for nothing. Should I just chuck these in the back doors to give even sound anyway particularly if I have passengers? I realise that there is no need for 6x9 when you have a Sub - but just back speakers at least in some form (ie. 6" in doors) - or I could leave factory speakers in there - may distort though?

I appreciate your help

Ben.

EDIT: HoldenBoy just saw your post. By amped do you mean with a proper amplifier or just built in off the HU?

[acarmody]

Means running off a real amplifier.

[HCVP]

These sony's you speak of, would probably be of equal quality to what is already in place.Aftermartket dosen't mean it's better, especially when its cheap aftermarket.

Currently your speakers will distort at any real hint of volume because they are running in full pass (full range) eliminating the lower frequncies from going to them, will allow them to play much louder and clearer.Your rears should be adjusted anyway so that the fader is set mostly to the front.

Ignore the rears, sound travels, especially in a car.With a good front stage, (like HoldenBoy said) will be ample sound even for those in the rear.With the factory rear speaker's left in place, their will still be sufficient rear fill, plus the sub.More than enough for anyone in the rear, and more improtantly, better for you up front.

[dah_man_ben]

Okay okay. This is my revised system.... I have dumped the 6x9s. I also will not bother with the rear speakers, just run factory from head unit. Will most likely keep the system faded to the front speakers as I do now with the factory system. The front splits include tweeters and have their own amplifier.

Now I was thinking of putting two 8" subwoofers into the parcel shelf with factory grills over the top. Run them both off of a monoblock amp. Would this produce plenty of bass or is it just stupid? I'd much rather something discreet like that than chucking my 12" straight into the boot as I used to have with my VS.

Ben

[sweefu]

Hey mate, i'll just chime in here.

Like all other speakers, subwoofers need an enclosure. Unless using 'free air' subs it will sound awful and not give you much bass at all, and even free air subs aren't very good.
If you have a 12" sub in a box with a mono that would be by far the best thing to do in terms of bass.

Cheers.

[dah_man_ben]

Hey mate, i'll just chime in here.

Like all other speakers, subwoofers need an enclosure. Unless using 'free air' subs it will sound awful and not give you much bass at all, and even free air subs aren't very good.
If you have a 12" sub in a box with a mono that would be by far the best thing to do in terms of bass.

Cheers.

Cheers for the input mate.
Okay. In my old VS, I remember having insanely good bass with my subwoofer that is in an enclosure in the boot. And that was even with a gas tank.
If subwoofers won't sound good in the parcel shelf, how do Holden manage to chuck them in the parcel shelf and get them sounding 'reasonable'? The bloke said they will have to custom-cut a mounting box out of plywood for the subwoofer to sit in. Whether this is simply a bracket or actually a mini box, I don't know.

[HCVP]

Mate the 8'' sub's as Holden label them, are more of a midbass speaker. The reason why they sound reasnoable, is because what most systems lack the most, is bass response.

It's quite easy to tune even an average speaker to produce fairly loud volumes, but getting good bass response, and more importantly accurate bass, is a different story.

A real use for an 8'' speaker, or a better use, would be to use them as mid bass drivers, in either a 2, or 3 way setup.

Stick with the best front speakers and amp you can afford, then look at adding a sub.Out of curiosity, what is the sub/amp you already have from your previous vehicle. Depending on what it is, it may be a cheap option to pick up a second one, and run a pair of them.

[dah_man_ben]

Mate the 8'' sub's as Holden label them, are more of a midbass speaker. The reason why they sound reasnoable, is because what most systems lack the most, is bass response.

It's quite easy to tune even an average speaker to produce fairly loud volumes, but getting good bass response, and more importantly accurate bass, is a different story.

A real use for an 8'' speaker, or a better use, would be to use them as mid bass drivers, in either a 2, or 3 way setup.

Stick with the best front speakers and amp you can afford, then look at adding a sub.Out of curiosity, what is the sub/amp you already have from your previous vehicle. Depending on what it is, it may be a cheap option to pick up a second one, and run a pair of them.

Ahh okay then... I see what your saying.
My current one that I took out of my previous car is a 12" Kenwood Sub in a box, with a 800w Kenwood Monoblock, don't know RMS value. Sounded great in my VS although always looked tacky opening up my boot and having a subwoofer just lying in there.