splits

[LthlThrt]

hey there all i am getting some 6 inch split for my vt, i already have a set of 6.5" slipts up front and a set of 6x9" splits up back, both running off the headeck, and w/ these new splits if i was to run them off an amp and have them in the rear passenger doors would that be an ok setup? or just be s**thouse

[acarmody]

Shithouse. Put the amp powered splits in the front doors. This way the music will sound like it coming from in front of you.

I'm intrigued by you saying you already have 6.5" splits and 6x9" splits. Do you mean coaxials? Splits is where the tweeter is separate and both speakers use a crossover.

[LthlThrt]

yea they are both splits the 6 by9s are soundstreams sst6.9 they have a swivel silk dome w/ a seperate crossover. so put the ones in the front onto the amp do i just hook it up to the crossover?

[LthlThrt]

here is a link for the 6by9s
Ryda Car Audio - Soundstream SST6.9 Tarantula - 6x9" Speakers($216.85)
they tweeter is mounted in the 6by9 but u can swivel it to were you want it
pretty sweet aye
they sound wicked

[acarmody]

Ok so have you got an aftermarket H/U, if so then go front splits powered by amp (whichever is the best set), yes using crossover, amp to crossover, then crossover to both woofer and tweeter. Then run the 6x9s in the parcel tray and the other set of splits in the rear doors, run both these sets of the H/U.

Seriously mate, get an amp for those 6x9s, they will sound a million times better. Maybe a nice 4-channel for the front splits and the 6x9s. Have you got the amp yet?

[Raczy]

And get a nice 12" sub, heaps better sound.

[LthlThrt]

Ok so have you got an aftermarket H/U, if so then go front splits powered by amp (whichever is the best set), yes using crossover, amp to crossover, then crossover to both woofer and tweeter. Then run the 6x9s in the parcel tray and the other set of splits in the rear doors, run both these sets of the H/U.

Seriously mate, get an amp for those 6x9s, they will sound a million times better. Maybe a nice 4-channel for the front splits and the 6x9s. Have you got the amp yet?

no i dont, what would you recomend for the front 6.5s and the rear 6by9s? would i also run the 6s in the back dorr off the head deck on which channel? front or back? and yea ive got an aftermarket HU it was the first thing i got when i got my car lol

[LthlThrt]

And get a nice 12" sub, heaps better sound.

i do have a 12" sub in the boot, but am looking for two new 12''s (maybe 15's depending on the bank account) so i can upgrade my sound system in my boot so it is a worthy contender at sound offs, also bit strapped for cash lol so one job at a time haha

[acarmody]

What model are the splits?

[LthlThrt]

the 6.5 ones up front are pioneer, the 6by9s are soundstream and the new 6 that im getting are kenwood

[acarmody]

Have you got the model numbers, should be on the back of the speakers?

[LthlThrt]

ill go and have a look back soonish, helps that the door covers are already off lol

[acarmody]

Don't rush, I'm about to go to bed, tired after gym. I'll have a look when I wake up. And yeah it sure does help with the skin off, I've broken one front window switch and two rear window switches in my time taking the damn door skins off.

[LthlThrt]

Don't rush, I'm about to go to bed, tired after gym. I'll have a look when I wake up. And yeah it sure does help with the skin off, I've broken one front window switch and two rear window switches in my time taking the damn door skins off.

TS-D1720C thats them, what gym do you go to? might have to come for a session w/ ya lol.

here is a link ill jump on here tomorrow morning and have a look

[acarmody]

I came back on anyway, ok well those are 60wrms splits. Hmm this is going to be a hard on, see those 6x9s are quite powerful at 150wrms, and if you feed them that it will make your sound stage be in the rear, aka they will nearly blot out those splits, and if you underpower them to level out the system then that's just a waste. Now if your going to have subs, then you put the 6x9s on a HPF and don't make them play bass, then yeah it will override those splits.

What is the model number on the Kenwood splits. I'm thinking front and rear splits powered off a 4-channel amp, and sell the 6x9s.

As for gym, on a Uni or off day I go to the Jetts at Redcliffe, on a work day I go to Jetts at the Grange (closer to work). Think that might be a bit far for ya. LOL.

[LthlThrt]

I came back on anyway, ok well those are 60wrms splits. Hmm this is going to be a hard on, see those 6x9s are quite powerful at 150wrms, and if you feed them that it will make your sound stage be in the rear, aka they will nearly blot out those splits, and if you underpower them to level out the system then that's just a waste. Now if your going to have subs, then you put the 6x9s on a HPF and don't make them play bass, then yeah it will override those splits.

What is the model number on the Kenwood splits. I'm thinking front and rear splits powered off a 4-channel amp, and sell the 6x9s.

As for gym, on a Uni or off day I go to the Jetts at Redcliffe, on a work day I go to Jetts at the Grange (closer to work). Think that might be a bit far for ya. LOL.

the kenwoods are KFC - P605ie link - Ryda Car Audio - Kenwood CVar Audio KFC-P605IE 6" Splits($158.85) least if i sell the 6by9s then i will have a bit more cash for the amp lol, wot if i put the 6.5 and the 6 splits on the amp and ran the 6by9s off the hu or a smaller 2ch amp? or would that be pointless? and i am planning on getting subs, i have one, but it isnt the loudest mainly because it is running off a small amp but i am getting rid of that and will be getting either 2 12s or 2 15s just depends mainly on the price and power etc. what is an HPF?

haha yea a bit far lol, i go to snap fitness at carina (cheaper), so just out of the way haha.

[acarmody]

Well if you have the fronts running at 60wrms, and the rear Kenwoods running at 50wrms, and say the 6x9s running off say 50wrms (from small amp) then you will still have too much power coming from behind you. And running those nice 6x9s that can handle 150wrms, off a H/U that only puts out 10-15wrms would just be a massive waste. I personally would sell them and get a better amp for subs or something.

BTW any reason you want two 12" or 15" subs instead of one good one? Usually one good one will sound better.

And the HPF lets only 'high' frequencies through. So your splits don't try to play bass, which they are not made to do. I have mine set at 100hz, so my splits only play 100hz and up. You can get splits playing lower than that, but you will find the volume before distortion to be a lot lower. As a bastardized rule, the higher the HPF (to a degree) the louder it will play the high frequencies, since lower frequencies will distort the speaker and make it all sound like crap

[LthlThrt]

i have always been used to having two subs in all my other cars but if 1 really good sub can do the work of 2 subs then 1 it is, can u change the frequency on the crossover?
what would you reccomend for a good amp to use to power the 6.5" and the 6" splits?
how would those 6by9s go in the boot w/ the sub? powered off an amp ofcourse?

[SuperSixty6]

Acarmody- You seem very pushy with your sound staging. LthlThrt do you like sound coming from the rear at all? Oh dear SQ freaks will go stupid if they hear me ask that!

I haven’t read too much into this thread, But you decide whether you are going for SPL or SQ. Running more speakers will generally get you a higher SPL, But will stuff your sound staging around allot, In saying that there is no doubt so many front sets of components that haven’t been tuned right.

My opinions on that matter is that if you really want to run rear speakers give the speakers then min requirement, That way you are eliminating a high percentage of possible distortion. As for the 6 x 9s, I like many other people no longer believe in them unless you aren’t running a sub. The oval cone appose to a circle gives out funny sound waves, and they will distort allot easier then a good set of 6” round speakers. My advice get some spacers made up and through 6 “in the parcel shelf since you are running woofers and not 6 x 9s.

And as far as your sound staging concerns, with Acarmody saying you don’t want your rear fill to be louder. Well simply tune your system correctly, Just because you are giving them allot more power then the fronts does not mean they have to play louder. You tune your system to count, Like I said that way giving them there min power amount will eliminate possible distortion.

Like some of you may know, I am building a SQ car atm, But I also have rear fill. Once completed gains will be right down and the rear will just be slightly heard until I want to max it up for some SQL!

Too much typing now, and not enough sence! Haha

Super6

[marcdon]

super abit off topic mate but i would love you hear about your build

[SuperSixty6]

Marcdon - Not releasing too much information on it yet, Due to the fact there has been a bit of change with brands due to not getting contracts, And loss of major work. The car is on hold for a few months, But if you hang around JC for a while yet ill have a few Threads up sooner rather then later.

Iv uploaded a picture of what my looked like about 2 months ago, Sorry for O/T LThlThrt but everyone loves Pics

[acarmody]

SuperSixty6 yeah I am emphasizing on the sound stage a bit but thats just because of the speakers hes working with. His best pair of splits are the Pioneers at 60wrms which I hope are going in the front door. The other splits are the Kenwoods at 50wrms. Now we still have the 6x9s free. So assuming we have 60wrms in the front, if both other sets are installed in the back then it will obviously have to much volume coming from the back, but in order to balance the system out you would turn the gains down for the rear, down to about say 50-60wrms total so they don't overpower the front. But that then raises the point as to why bother. The Kenwood splits themselves can take 50wrms, so really your just going to install two sets of speakers to achieve what one set could do easier. Saves you dicking around installing some speakers to amps and other to the H/U and then tuning it all.

But yeah if LthlThrt just want pure volume and doesn't care how it sounds then he go ahead and install the 6x9s, it will only achieve a maximum of an extra 12wrms, without spending good money on an amp to power them.

Now off topic, SuperSixty6 how hard was it to rip out the inside and take out the carpet? My carpet somehow got a nice rip in it and I was looking at changing it.

[LthlThrt]

Acarmody- You seem very pushy with your sound staging. LthlThrt do you like sound coming from the rear at all? Oh dear SQ freaks will go stupid if they hear me ask that!

I haven’t read too much into this thread, But you decide whether you are going for SPL or SQ. Running more speakers will generally get you a higher SPL, But will stuff your sound staging around allot, In saying that there is no doubt so many front sets of components that haven’t been tuned right.

My opinions on that matter is that if you really want to run rear speakers give the speakers then min requirement, That way you are eliminating a high percentage of possible distortion. As for the 6 x 9s, I like many other people no longer believe in them unless you aren’t running a sub. The oval cone appose to a circle gives out funny sound waves, and they will distort allot easier then a good set of 6” round speakers. My advice get some spacers made up and through 6 “in the parcel shelf since you are running woofers and not 6 x 9s.

And as far as your sound staging concerns, with Acarmody saying you don’t want your rear fill to be louder. Well simply tune your system correctly, Just because you are giving them allot more power then the fronts does not mean they have to play louder. You tune your system to count, Like I said that way giving them there min power amount will eliminate possible distortion.

Like some of you may know, I am building a SQ car atm, But I also have rear fill. Once completed gains will be right down and the rear will just be slightly heard until I want to max it up for some SQL!

Too much typing now, and not enough sence! Haha

Super6

yea well ive been throwing up what to do w/ the 6by9s all day, i like them, but if they arent necessary then i would probably be better off selling them seeing as i need some cash to get my project back underway(dont you hate it when your project gets delayed, you know what i mean Super6) how much of a job is it to get the spacers fitted to the rear shelf? also wear would you put the tweeter in the rear? at the very back corner like the front tweeter?

[LthlThrt]

Marcdon - Not releasing too much information on it yet, Due to the fact there has been a bit of change with brands due to not getting contracts, And loss of major work. The car is on hold for a few months, But if you hang around JC for a while yet ill have a few Threads up sooner rather then later.

Iv uploaded a picture of what my looked like about 2 months ago, Sorry for O/T LThlThrt but everyone loves Pics

that is true everyone does love pics lol, it seems you have a bit of space in your VY lol, that wasnt the one that i saw was it?

oh and in case you havent picked up on it Super6 these are the speakers (kenwood) that i am picking up from you on monday (when i get my licence)

[LthlThrt]

SuperSixty6 yeah I am emphasizing on the sound stage a bit but thats just because of the speakers hes working with. His best pair of splits are the Pioneers at 60wrms which I hope are going in the front door. The other splits are the Kenwoods at 50wrms. Now we still have the 6x9s free. So assuming we have 60wrms in the front, if both other sets are installed in the back then it will obviously have to much volume coming from the back, but in order to balance the system out you would turn the gains down for the rear, down to about say 50-60wrms total so they don't overpower the front. But that then raises the point as to why bother. The Kenwood splits themselves can take 50wrms, so really your just going to install two sets of speakers to achieve what one set could do easier. Saves you dicking around installing some speakers to amps and other to the H/U and then tuning it all.

But yeah if LthlThrt just want pure volume and doesn't care how it sounds then he go ahead and install the 6x9s, it will only achieve a maximum of an extra 12wrms, without spending good money on an amp to power them.

Now off topic, SuperSixty6 how hard was it to rip out the inside and take out the carpet? My carpet somehow got a nice rip in it and I was looking at changing it.

yea the pioneers are up front, i am after good SQ but also want bass in the boot, but nice and sweet sound in the cabin. and the 6by9s are already installed, the new kenwoods are what i am installing.

thanks for all your help guys i am grateful for it all, when i had heaps of money back when i wasn't an apprentice and had a license i just got everyone else to do it for me, but now w/ limited amounts of money i need to start to learn to do it myself.

also what would be a suggestion for a good amp to power both the pioneer splits and the kenwood splits?