Rear speaker selection

[hendorockstar]

G'day just after some advice on what rear speakers anyone on here would suggest. My set-up so far consists of 2x Pioneer 12" boxed subs, 2x Pioneer mono-blocks, Alpine 6 1/2" type R splits and 1x Pioneer 4ch amp. None of these are fitted but they are going into my VS Calais. I'm not that car stereo savvy, so any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks

[Philthy]

Grab yourself some coaxial 6/6.5" speakers for the rears. If you set it all up right you will barely hear from the rear speakers anyway, so unless you want to spend a heap making your rear passengers happy, a basic set will do the job.
What model is the amp they are running off? I can make a few suggestions on speakers if you like

[hendorockstar]

Yeah mate the amp is a Pioneer gm-6300f 4ch 600w, I'm hopefully going to be able to run the splits off it as well. Thanks

[Philthy]

You should be fine running the splits + rears off that amp.
You could look at something like these Shopping Secure - Car Audio Specialists - VIBE Slick 60 or these Shopping Secure - Car Audio Specialists - SPL Dynamics TD-602
The spl dynamics actually play quite loud for what you pay, but the vibe's probably sound a little clearer

[hendorockstar]

Yeah I just checked out both the links and the vibes do sound alright, but what about getting type r rears to suit the fronts ? or you reckon just a waste of money?

[Philthy]

Yeah I just checked out both the links and the vibes do sound alright, but what about getting type r rears to suit the fronts ? or you reckon just a waste of money?

IMO, alpines are a bit overpriced. Admittedly I have Alpine front and rear in my car but I would never pay anything near full price for them. You can get so much better for the money.
If you wanted to stick with alpines I wouldn't get anything more than type s's (which I have in the back of mine) but even they are around $120-140 new.

[hendorockstar]

ok what's the main diffenrance between type s and type r?

[HCVP]

Basically a better quality speaker, with higher power handling. But like Philthy said, you will barely hear them anyway. If your after more volume, then upgrade your fronts instead.

You only have a 4 channel amp, in this situation you would be better off bridging the amp to get the most power to your front speakers, rather than splitting it evenly between one good set close to you, and one average set far away from you.

[hendorockstar]

Ok cool so basically any shitters will do for the rear? within reason of course, and focus on getting more out of the fronts

[HCVP]

The focus is always to get the most from the front. In some cases you don't even need rears. With amped fronts, you'd have the fader set so far to the front to stop the rears from distorting, that the unless you were to actually sit in the back seat, you wouldnt hear them.

Just because you have more speakers, does not mean it will be any louder. Your only going to hear the loudest and closest set.

[Philthy]

You only have a 4 channel amp, in this situation you would be better off bridging the amp to get the most power to your front speakers, rather than splitting it evenly between one good set close to you, and one average set far away from you.

You think? I thought about that and decided 150wrms (i think thats what it was, too lazy to look again) into type-r's was just a waste. I'm all for headroom but thats a lot! Not sure what the type r power hndling is like, but I know type x's go fine off about 80-90wrms

[HCVP]

You think? I thought about that and decided 150wrms (i think thats what it was, too lazy to look again) into type-r's was just a waste. I'm all for headroom but thats a lot! Not sure what the type r power hndling is like, but I know type x's go fine off about 80-90wrms

Well they are rated at 110 rms, with a fairly low sensitivity of 87db. He has sub's, so he will have the fronts on a HPF also. So 150rms or there about's, isn't really all that much.

Even if the speakers can't physically handle any increase in power beyond a certain point, it still dosen't mean that the extra power just goes to waste. The THD at higher volume level will be lower also.

[Philthy]

Well they are rated at 110 rms, with a fairly low sensitivity of 87db. He has sub's, so he will have the fronts on a HPF also. So 150rms or there about's, isn't really all that much.

Even if the speakers can't physically handle any increase in power beyond a certain point, it still dosen't mean that the extra power just goes to waste. The THD at higher volume level will be lower also.

Ah ok thats fair enough. I assumed that since type x's are only about 75wrms they would be lower or about the same. Thats what I get for not checking things. They do take a bit of power to get sounding good.

I take it back then Hendo, you are probably better off bridging the amp to run the fronts, and running whatever rears you get off the headunit as HCVP said.

[hendorockstar]

No worries thanks to both of you for your advice, cleared things up alot.

[Joe Bellissimo]

Upgrading the fronts and then moving the Type Rs to the back would be another idea. You could make your front stage significantly clearer for not too much investment. Also by having the Type Rs in the back you could turn them up when your in a hoonish mood :P

[HCVP]

Ah ok thats fair enough. I assumed that since type x's are only about 75wrms they would be lower or about the same.

I've never dealt with any of the X type stuff, but if their speakers are anything like the subs, then they are more SQ orientated.

[Philthy]

Upgrading the fronts and then moving the Type Rs to the back would be another idea. You could make your front stage significantly clearer for not too much investment. Also by having the Type Rs in the back you could turn them up when your in a hoonish mood :P

That was another suggestion I was going to make. If you are willing to buy more type r's for the rears, dont. Spend the same money (how much are they, ~$250-300?) and I'll find you a better set you can put in the front