Stereo Wiring+ possible installation

[2005vzute]

G'day all,
So for christmas i've just bought a new set of door speakers and tweeters...they're soundstream rubicon series...now, i have absolutly no idea how to wire them up...its got 2 terminals on each door speaker, i assume they just plug into the wires coming off the original factory speakers?...the cross over on the other hand..i have no idea about...theres 2 crossovers, one for each door i assume, at one end of the crossover it has places to screw down wires..it says TW-, 0dB, -3dB and -6dB....where as the other end has W+, W-, IN+ and IN-....if someone could shed some light on how to wire up the speakers, crossover and tweeters it'd be greatly appreiciated...if someone could list exactly what goes where, i'll try make up a wiring diagram and someone could check it for me...if i have seriously no idea what im doing, i might just get ASR to install it for me..how much would it be to install it guys?

cheers everyone

[acarmody]

OK, the crossover basically splits the signal and send the high frequencies to the tweeters and the mids to the 6" woofer.

So what you have to do is: Put the original factory wires into the IN+ and IN-, obviously being IN+ being the positive and the IN- being the negative.
Then the woofer connects to the W+ and W-.
And the tweeter connects the negative to the TW-, but for the positive you have some choices, being 0dB, -3dB, and -6dB. What these do is allow you to make the tweeter quieter. Some people find the tweeter, to loud and high, so they step it down to -3dB or -6dB. Think of it as 0dB (normal), -3dB (quieter), and -6dB (quietest). To find the right setting you will have to use your ears. So say you choice -3dB, the positive goes to -3dB and the negative goes to TW-. Or for -6dB, its -6dB for positive and TW- for negative.

[acarmody]

Meh, I'm bored.

[2005vzute]

hey cheers heaps for that mate, i was srota on the right track just by looking at it...so i take it the factory tweeters have to have some sort of wiring going to them, what happens to them?...so we have 2 door speaker wires going into the crossover...the 2 outputs for the door speaker and 2 outputs for the tweeter right?...where does the factory tweeter wiring go to? do i just tape it up and let them hang or what?

cheers mate

[HCVP]

Take the speaker wire closest to the head unit, this way it is before any factory crossover that may have been in place. Best just to remove the head unit, and get as close to the head units speaker wire output as you can. Cutting the wire immidiately disconnects the factory tweeter and woofer. The original tweeter can be left in place unless your planning to using it's mounting location.

Just attach some extra wire long enough to reach the location of your new crossovers.

[rch-13z]

moving this to the audio section.... If you need to get Greg to look @ installing it for you give him a bell on 0404359144

[2005vzute]

cheers hcvp...its alright...i set htem up in my parents car and they went alright..they lost quality not being in the speaker pods though..they're 6.5 inch speakers so they won't fit without dicking around with the plastic pod...i tried with the factory speakers being in and out of the pod..and it makes that much of a difference it just aint funny haha...but yea...im gunna use the standard tweeters and leave them there....i'll just take out the original door speakers, replace with the new ones after going through the crossover, and i think i might stick these 2 other tweeters elsewhere..maybe on the shelf/wall behind my seats (its a ute)...did you say there's a factory crossover? could that make me lose some power/quality by running the speakers through 2 crossovers? i was a bit confuzzled as to what you meant there...but thanks heaps mate..helped alot..they go pretty good

[HCVP]

You don't want more than one set of tweeters. Just use which ever ones are of better quality.

Also you can't use more than one crossover per set of components. I'm not sure what your reffering to there or what your trying to do.

If you connected everything as in the diagram, then you shouldn't have any problems.

[2005vzute]

ok yea, i might've misread or misunderstood what you meant in your last post reffering to the crossovers....i thought you were saying there is a standard factory crossover that i should be taking out and replacing with these new ones...is there a standard crossover mounted somewhere to take out? (sorry for the questions, im a dumbarse at stereo stuff)
cheers mate

[acarmody]

There will be, but it won't look anything like your new crossovers. Probably just be a couple of small capacitors or something.

[2005vzute]

is it worth trying to find them and rip em out, or it won't make a difference really?

[acarmody]

I would rip them out. But if your getting the wiring from behind the H/U like we suggested than it won't be a problem as you will have bypassed them.

Also if you don't remove them and you amp the speakers later, they will probably melt or catch fire.

[2005vzute]

oh lovely haha, i'd love to have my dash on fire haha...so would these capacitors etc be in an enclosed housing like my crossovers but maybe smaller and not as flashy, or would they just be wired in with the rest of the wiring etc?

[acarmody]

I've never actually seen them since I used all new wiring in my setup, but I am under the impression they are just in-line with the wiring. Just wire-capacitor-wire, no enclosure or anything. Maybe one of the installers on here can verify?

[HCVP]

quoted from ASR - from VR onwards the "crossover" consists of a capacitor in series with the tweeter

[2005vzute]

oh cool...is that it jsut a capacitor..so really, if i trace wiring from the head unit to the tweater, should it be all wire and a capacitor then the tweeter?..man, thank god for you guys, i'd be so stuck on christmas day if it wasn't for you lot, cheers fellas

[HCVP]

Yep pretty much. But like i said, if you take the wire as close to the head unit as possible, then you are basically bypassing it all anyway. If i was doing the install myself i would be removing any old and no longer used wiring, but it's not nessacary. A bit of wire laying around somewhere not connected and doing nothing isn't going to effect anything obviously...

[2005vzute]

yea yea thats true..so i assume ther is a wiring harness or a bunch or wires coming out from the back of the headunit somewhere?...i'll just find the right wires connecting up between the speakers and headunit, chop it off close to the headunit, get rid of the excess wiring, hook up the new system, and bobs me uncle...right....with that capacitor thing, (may be a dumb question) but im guessing its the same thing on the door speakers too?, capacitor is in series with the speaker..or nah?...if its just wiring directly from the headunit to the speaker and no capacitor i might just leave the standard wiring in and fit up some terminals on to go onto the electrical connector goin into the door speakers...that sounded confusing haha...hey, i should be right to use a coathanger to get the headunit out too ay? cheers mate (sorry for the essay by the way haha)

[BookMe]

Yay for reviving old threads.

2005vzute- if you are still around. Did you find the capacitor for the tweeter? How close was it to the tweeter?

I'm installing new speakers tomorrow, that will be powered by an amp. Luckily I did a google search for some info otherwise I would've done some damage if I didn't learn about the capacitor.

[BookMe]

Yay for reviving old threads.

2005vzute- if you are still around. Did you find the capacitor for the tweeter? How close was it to the tweeter?

I'm installing new speakers tomorrow, that will be powered by an amp. Luckily I did a google search for some info otherwise I would've done some damage if I didn't learn about the capacitor.

*Won't let me delete the double post for some reason*