Sq subs
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I'm going to be putting some new subs into my VE. I am a very big big fan of alpine subs as I use to have 2 alpine type R's in my XR6 and boy did they bump. That being said I want something that is a little bit better quality. but still has the same depth and volume just without the rolling bass.
I kind want bass that you would get in a night club, like you can feel it is tight and clean and no bass rolling.
I'm thinking about 2 alpine type x 10" and putting a rockford amp that can power 1200+rms @ 1ohm stable.
What is everyones thoughts on this, has anyone heard these compared to the rockford power series or focal or JL audio??
I want something that is loud but also quality, I don't want window shattering loudness but around the same as what i had with the 2 type R's, basically them but better quality lol
Thanks for that StoneX I had a bit of a look and a lot of people saying these are almost identical to an alpine 10 type x in terms of how they sound and volume terms. as I can get type X at a good price I think this might be a better option? I wan't two 10's because I want a bit more volume then what i've got now (1 type R 12, I sold the other)
I recently installed a Focal 11" subwoofer into my car powered by a 300w Pioneer amp. Whilst I intended this to be a temp sub, it certainly has a lot of guts. Don't let the low wattage fool you, it has a lot of thump.
It is one of the cleanest subs I've heard and extremely precise. Comparing it to my housemates 12" X-Type I would put in well above in terms of SQ, although it can't compete for SPL. I daresay the 13" will have a lot more guts.
That being said, I'm a bit of a Focal fanboy, so I'm sure there'll be other suggestions out there!
Who has said an IDMax is the same as a 10" Type-X?? They are very wrong. As StoneX said, the IDMax is miles ahead in all areas.Originally Posted by Nuddy989
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IDMax 12" - Cone area is 388cm2 and one way linear Xmax is 24.6mm
Alpine Type X - Cone area is 360cm2 and one way linear Xmax is 19mm
It's impossible for the Alpine to move as much air (be as loud) as an IDMax.
I'd buy 12's but the 10's will still be loud.
Hey I've heard good things about focal subs, I can get a pair of the 13" 33KX ones for $1400 one is brand new, the other only just broken in. I'm yet to hear them in a car. but i have heard the 11" ones in the back of the lancer and they won't be loud enough thanks for the reply though.
I think I'm going to look into this IDMax, where is a good place to get them from?
im like one of those cockhead customers that wants to know the products inside out before making a purchase lol
I'm pretty sure Northfield Moorooka are the distributor. FHRX Studios will post them. I'm not sure where you could listen to one though. See if the distributor has someone up near you.
Is there a particular reason why you only want 10" subs? Is it due to a lack of space? Do you believe the common myth that 10" subs are automatically "punchier" than 12" subs?
I would recommend one 12" sub over the two 10"s. Unless you are aiming for symmetry with two, adding another only makes a ~3db change to the overall volume, which in my opinion is not worth it. I feel you will be better off getting one 12" sub.
The Image Dynamics IDMAX is a highly regarded SQL (Sound Quality + Sound Pressure Level) subwoofer, would definitely be on my short list.
Other highly regarded options include:
Image Dynamics IDQ (Baby brother of IDMAX, more SQ based than SPL)
Morel Ultimo (Plays low frequencies comfortably, very nice subwoofer)/ Ultimo SC (Baby brother of the Ultimo, still very good)
Focal 33WX2 (Very musical subwoofer, goes quite loud as well)
Polk SR124 (Comparable to Ultimos)
There's many to choose from, it is definitely recommended that you test them out before purchase.
This was also recently discussed on the MEA forum, have a look at this thread for more subs and opinions.
Also I'm glad to see a sound quality based thread around here, top stuff
Also, what are you powering them with? Do you actually have that Rockford amp or will you need an amp as well?
I was thinking of going with a rockford amp because i've had rockford amps in the past (p2 400) the 200 rms per channel p2 amp from like 8 years go cost like 450us to buy. it was in my mazda then went to my falcon and was in the falcon when I sold it. a very nice amp.
I do not currently have an amp for them. I'm very open minded to amps as to be honest my preference of amps is either rockford or alpine. I've heard good things about Hifonics and DLS amps also. I will also need a cap
The reason i'm opting for 2 subs over 1 is because of the air they move. while having the two type r's was not that much louder then 1 the bass felt a lot cleaner, deeper and harder hitting. (there was more vibration and pressure in the cabin) which is what I want.
I've been doing a lot of reading and I think what I'm going to do is put the IDMax 12" subs in my boot two of them, along with a suitable amp. I'm also going to be replacing my front speakers with Morel Dotech ovation 6 and an amp to power those. I will then be replacing the rear door speakers with coaxials and running these off the head unit and the money i save by doing this i will buy an audio processor. Disconnecting the center speaker and the 2 parcel shelf speakers.
I also want to dynamat the boot and doors ( I will be doing this myself) and then having a professional install done in the boot as I still wan't access to my spare tire
That being said I didn't realize the ultimo's were 1000rms. I think I would get away with 1 of those
Great White Cranberry
I used to have 2x 12" subs in my vy and that was insanely loud bass, Im now runnig 2x 10" rockford subs in my stato, the bass is not as loud but I seem to find that it is a crisper sound rather than just shitloads of bass.
Also found that the 10s fit in perfectly under the rear shelf in the stock box they come in unlike 12s which would involve a custom box as most stock ones sit higher than the rear shelf, im just too lazy to create things in my old age nowadays :P
I'm not sure what you mean by that but the power rating doesn't indicate how loud they will get.That being said I didn't realize the ultimo's were 1000rms. I think I would get away with 1 of those
Also, you won't NEED a cap if your wiring is done properly.
caps help to prevent distortion due to lack of available amps? I could be entirely wrong there haha.
I Figured the more RMS the speaker can handle the louder it will go? I'm still novice to this as you can tell and that's why I'm asking for help
I haven't actually been able to get a price on the IDMax subs so I don't know what to expect in terms of price. I'm also still undecided on amps as it really depends what sub I go for
First statement I don't really understandcaps help to prevent distortion due to lack of available amps? I could be entirely wrong there haha.
I Figured the more RMS the speaker can handle the louder it will go? I'm still novice to this as you can tell and that's why I'm asking for help
I haven't actually been able to get a price on the IDMax subs so I don't know what to expect in terms of price. I'm also still undecided on amps as it really depends what sub I go for
Secondly not really, with good speakers the rated power input isn't overly important, a quality well built speaker will handle power; simple as that. I have some SB Acoustics SB17 midwoofers in my car rated at 60wrms, they have been given 150wrms for some time now without any problems, similar story with my subs and tweeters.
Image Dynamics IDMAX 12" RRP is $799 I think?
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Caps do absolutely nothing expect look pretty. Don't waste your money.
If you need to take out voltage drops, get larger wire. Your amp will already have decoupling capacitors on the input. Magnitudes smaller than the farad ones you buy.
Well after doing some research this is what I'm going with
Head Unit: I'm either going to install the alpine audio processor + control unit or go with the facia + hu kit from alpine.
Front speakers: Morel Dotech Ovation 6
Rear Speakers: Morel Integra Ovation
Subs : 2 x IDMax 12"
Amps: I'm still undecided on the amps. The rear speakers are just there for fill and the alpine HU will be fine at powering them in the back. The Front speakers I will want 150rms per channel and the subs I will want at least 700RMS each so still need to do a lot of research on all of this part of things.
what are you audiophiles thoughts on this?
Thoughts are ditch the rear speakers, and go for a sub with more surface area as aposed to using two 12's.
Should be pretty sweet. Sorry I probably missed it but which alpine processor are you going for?
As above the rears are optional.
Have you considered running your fronts active? The processor should let you do it and with x-over and slope options for your mids and tweets you can tune it for day's.
I had an active setup running off an infinity 4 channel amp (4x120wrms) and it was perfect.
Will you be sound deadening the car? Front doors make an amazing difference to mid bass.
I'd do it exactly as you have described. No point going for a single larger sub as you'll get the sound you want more easily with the 12's. The rear fill will also be beneficial if you have passengers. I've always just had front speakers and constantly hear people whinging that my stereos sound muffled in the rear seats.
I agree with you StoneX the reason I have a sedan is because more often then not I have rear passangers and sometimes I like to sit in the back of my car after a big night out and have people drive me around in it. Nothing better then getting chauffeured around in your own car
The audio processor I'm going to use is the Alpine PXA-800 and I'm going to be putting the controller for it in the glove box, err if I can haha.
m1lky I know about running my fronts as active but I don't know enough about car stereos to be able to do that and living in Mackay there isn't really someone readily available to help me with tuning. I think i'm gonna have enough trouble trying to find someone to build a custom box for me in the boot.
I'm going to sound deaden the boot and front doors, probably not the back ones.
Ok cool look after your friends in the back, but no need to write off the idea about using a larger sub. So many people these days put larger subs either into the wank factor basket, or the too big is too slow and sloppy category. Which is most often the case with cheaper drivers, but with the combined budget of 2 idmax's, it's a completely different ball game.
Why chase output by using multiple drivers is all i'm trying to say.
I was thinking about going to a 15 in the earlier stages HCVP, what would you recommend?
I want an accurate sub that doesn't roll bass. Can hit hard lows and doesn't sound like a bag of dicks when it has to hit fast notes like double kicks in metal music.
I listen to anything and everything so I need a sub that can do it all.
Even an 18 if you don't need the boot space. In your original post you said you were happy with the output of your two previous subs but didn't find they offered enough in other aspects. You've played around with 2 x 12's, so ok maybe 2 better quality 12's might suit your needs, then again maybe looking outside the box a little bit might not be a bad idea. Big subs can in fact do it all.
Think of live music and concerts (the good ones that you remember) many stages use drivers much larger than 12''
Have a look into the tc sounds lms line up,
Last edited by HCVP; 16-12-2011 at 12:23 PM.
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