Head Until In A VT Berlina
Hi All
Firstly let me say what a great site this is and the help provided by all of you is invaluable to people who want to do things themselves. Which leads me to why I am posting.
I have a VT II Berlina and bought a Pioneer DEH-P5750MP and want to install it. Now everything has been done from the splits in the front doors to the 6x9's on the parcel shelf to the cross overs and amps in the boot (as well as the bass canon).
Now my problem is that I cannot get the Pioneer cradle to fit in the hole left in the dash once I removed the Eurovox H/U. It seems to me that the cradle is about a couple of mills wider than the metal "cage" in the VT.
Now I know that I could take that "cage" out and either replace it with the Pioneer cradle or screw the H/U directly to the "cage" but that would mean pulling most of my dash apart which is not what I want to do.
Does anyone here have any suggestions on how to use the Pioneer cradle with the existing "cage" without pulling my dash apart? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillip
PS: To make things a little clearer I have included pic's below of what I am try to say above so hopefully that will clear things up a little
Last edited by f1ferrari; 01-02-2006 at 10:04 AM.
hi PHILLIP!!! i'm a phil as well
put the pioneer head unit in the cradle that it came with and push the whole thing into the space in your dash. you will probably have to push it in half way down the cage and then once it's all the way in push it up.
i also have that flexing you see in the pioneer head unit cage in my car. are you just looking for a friction fit or did you actually want to screw it in? i just went for a friction fit but some people go to the effort of screwing it in. i believe this requires the removal of all the plastic around the head unit.
hope this helps, i can email you some pictures of mine if you are having trouble workin out what i'm on about
phil
Hi Phil
I would prefer for the proper scrrew in sceurity but if I have to I would consider the friction mount as well.
Pic's of yours would be great so that I can see how it comes out. And thanks heaps for your suggestions....
Phillip
People usually get a hammer and gently knock the sides of the stock "cage" out a little bit, others just force the new head unit and cradle in... Both work. I've seen motorised units come in for repair because they've been squashed from the sides in a VT/X install though. 5750 isn't motorised, so you don't have to worry much.
You other option, which is what I stupidly did, is to dismantle the dash, drill the sides of the stock "cage" then screw the head unit into that, then put the dash back together.... Getting the holes in the right spot so that the head unit sits flush with the dash is a prick of a job, I wouldn't recommend it.
Yeah, that is what I thought to do but before I got the hammer out I thought I would ask here to see if there was any other suggestions.Originally Posted by StoneX
I thought of doing this but just do not want to pull half my dash apart and I could just imagine what a prick of a job it would be lining up the H/U to be flush.
Thanks for this, feedback "StoneX", its much appreciated. Does any one else have other suggestions as I'll be doing this on the weekend I have time to see what others have done.
Same car, same stereo. Jaycar splits, Pioneer 6x9s (but no sub or amp). Very happy with result. Plenty enough bass for me.
As for the head unit prob, I ended up pulling the dash apart and screwing the HU directly into the mount. It's not trivial and lining it up is tricky. You have to remember to make allowance for the little plastic surround to go on once the dash is back in place. If you mount it in the top, then the thingy sticking out the back goes into the hole at the back so it is just a matter of getting it out the right distance and the front vertically right. Only need 1 screw each side as the back is held in the hole.
At least now it is in there, I am confident it cannot be stolen in a hurry.
For pockets to fill the other hole, I ended up getting a genuine Holden pocket (if in QLD Autobarn in Moss St sell them). I found the cheap ones didn't really sit very well. The genuine ones are a bit wider and I screwed it into the bracket as well. One screw either side from the inside of the pocket. Everything nice and tight. No rattles.
Good luck with the job.
BTW, I still haven't got my power antenna working. Tried all combinations I could find based on the wiring charts and info here. Given up for the moment, but keen to hear if you have any problems. PM me if you like. I used a wiring harness adapter plug to make the wiring easy with a bit of re-routing in and out to accomodate new speakers and splits.
cheers
yep, would have to agree with Muttley, much better fit if u take time to screw the cage in. Its a bit of stuffing around but worth it in the end. I put a coin tray from a mazda 626 1995 model in the gap under the head unit, fitted spot on, got it from wreckers for $5. looks like u got a sick ride from the thumb photo, so go the extra mile, good luck
This isn’t really directed at "f1ferrari" as he has amps already, but if you do screw it in and are just powering the speakers from the head unit I’d advise you to get some RCA’s (1.5m will do) and plug them into the back of the head unit and tuck them away somewhere so that if you do decide to amp up your system in the future you do not have to pull the whole dash apart again to connect the RCA's.
After screwing the head unit in, I think it's a bad idea... If you ever need to change anything or fault find, you need to totally dismantle the dash again. If someone breaks in and cant pull it out of the dash, they usually just smash it out of frustration anyway. Might aswell let your company insurance do their job and replace your stolen items.
Power antenna is simple... It has 3 wires, one is on, one is up, one is down. Set the antenna to full extension before changing head units, then just hook up the ON wire to the head unit's power antenna wire. If you still want up and down controls you will need to get a 3 way switch and wire them to 12v (i think, you'll need to check the circuit diagram).
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lol, I challenge anyone to get the HU out in a hurry with oinly the friction fit.
Most theives will give it a pull find it won't move and move on. Not realising that it simply really needs a good pull.
-EDIT- I was in the same mode as StoneX for about 2 years before I realised that there was no harm in just forcing it into the hole.
No point in wasting time with anything else.
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
Your setup is like mine except I went for Pioneer splits at the front. I know what you mean about the bass but as I already had the canon I thought I would add it in. For a 6" canon you would be surprised how much of a difference it makes. But the best part about it is that I can enjoy my bass without it being heard 5 streets away....
Where?!?!?!?! How Much?!?!?!? I went to various Holden dealers here in Sydney as well as the Suttons spare parts distributor in Lidcombe and they all told me the same thing. Holden does not make pockets.
Did you use the AERPRO adaptor? (refer pic below) This is the one I used and all I did was hook up the blue cable from this to the remote wire (also blue) on the Pioneer and all worked fine. I was concerned that the aerial would now be all the way up (I like to keep mine only at roof level to avoid damaging it) but as I had it set at the roof level before taking out the old H/U it now only goes to that hight when the Pioneer is plugged in.
Now all I need is to find some time to pull my dash out and I'll be able to enjoy my Pioneer on a permanent basis. It's amazing how crap the Eurovox really sounds when you plug a good stereo in.
Haha... They don't need to know about your sex life
Thanks heaps mate, I'll see if I can upload some full size pic's for you and others to see it clearer.
I got mine from Autobarn at Slacks Creek (in Brisbane). They guy reckons they are genuine Holden although they didn't come in a Holden packet, so maybe just made by someone for Holden. Not cheap, cost about $35 but fit much better than the cheap one I got first (and took back).
I used the same adapter and soldered it to the wires from the plug that came with the HU. It's long enough so that I can get to the plug without pulling the dash apart now. I just need to pull the side panel off.
As for the antenna, it was fully down when I replaced the HU. How did you get yours to stay up? Doesn't it go down automatically when you turn the car off? Anyway, I don't have the code for the original stereo as I replaced the unit soon after I bought it and I didn't feel like paying Holden to give me the code when I was going to take it out anyway. I tried hooking it up again but without the code the antenna doesn't go up.
[Edit] I should clarify, I didn't use the cage that came with the stereo. Just screwed the HU directly to the mounting box in the car.
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oh sex life? well, she gets cranky when I just jam it in...
Now I give her some warning
Muttley...disconnect the antenna wire from the HU and put 12Volts to it and watch it shoot up! then reconnect it to the CD Player
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
Thanks. Will give it another try.Muttley...disconnect the antenna wire from the HU and put 12Volts to it and watch it shoot up! then reconnect it to the CD Player
Antenna goes UP, Antenna goes DOWN
I know this is going back a while but I finally got time to have another go at my antenna and finally have it working again. Here are the key facts:
1. If you use the wiring harness as most people suggest, then it will connect the blue wire from the HU to the Yellow/Red in the wiring harness. This tells the antenna control unit that the radio is on. It doesn't supply power to the motor, this comes directly from the battery.
2. If you had the antenna up when you took out the old HU then it should go back up to that spot when you hook up the new HU.
3. If you had the antenna down when you replaced the unit (like I did) then the antenna stays down. Read on to find out how to fix it.
There are 2 wires in the harness to control antenna UP (Light Blue) and DOWN (White). To control the antenna height, connect EARTH to either the UP or DOWN wire. Not 12V. Once you have it in the spot you like, simply leave them unconnected in the plug and the antenna will return to that spot when the HU is on and go down when the HU is off.
If you want to control it, you will need to put a 3 way rocker switch somewhere to switch EARTH to either wire.
cheers
Muttley
or you can just hook it to the remote wire and the antenna will go up when the head deck is on and go down when it is off.
by the way, my head deck was the same as ferarri's...i ended up juz givin it a bit of force and it locks in pretty tight. saves goin to the hassle of takin the whole dash apart.
oh sex life? well, she gets cranky when I just jam it in...
Now I give her some warning
Muttley...disconnect the antenna wire from the HU and put 12Volts to it and watch it shoot up! then reconnect it to the CD Player
That is exactly what the blue wire does. Puts a low amp 12volt to the antenna.
Head Unit in a VT Berlina
Hi All
Firstly let me say what a great site this is and the help provided by all of you is invaluable to people who want to do things themselves. Which leads me to why I am posting.
I have a VT II Berlina and bought a Pioneer DEH-P5750MP and want to install it. Now everything has been done from the splits in the front doors to the 6x9's on the parcel shelf to the cross overs and amps in the boot (as well as the bass canon).
Now my problem is that I cannot get the Pioneer cradle to fit in the hole left in the dash once I removed the Eurovox H/U. It seems to me that the cradle is about a couple of mills wider than the metal "cage" in the VT.
Now I know that I could take that "cage" out and either replace it with the Pioneer cradle or screw the H/U directly to the "cage" but that would mean pulling most of my dash apart which is not what I want to do.
Does anyone here have any suggestions on how to use the Pioneer cradle with the existing "cage" without pulling my dash apart? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Phillip
PS: To make things a little clearer I have included pic's below of what I am try to say above so hopefully that will clear things up a little
Hey there f1ferrari,
I have been putting stereos in these cars for some time now, and the way i do these is to push the cradle into the dash opening, you may have to squash the cradle a little bit then slide it in.
When you have it all the way in then bend the cradle back into shape, next i drill 2 1/8 inch holes either side of the cradle and use 2 pop rivets to secure it to the dash, put the pop rivets on the side of the cradle either at the top part or the bottom part....not the middle else you will have fun trying to remove the unit if you ever have a problem in the future as the keys that remove the unit out of the cradle wont get past the pop rivets.
I find the plastic pockets made by aerpro have a very neat and firm fit....just need to push them in a little harder...anyway i hope this has been of some benefit to you......cheers
Lets work as a TEAM and do it MY WAY!!
//There Ain't No Rest For The Wicked...
ROFL!
Friction mount hmmm Might have to attack my dad's calais stereo one day..
Cheers
MaT
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Hey! When I give the wife a 12Volt antenna it sure as hell isn't low amperage!
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
Hey Guys
New to this. freaken wicked site!
Right, I have a 98 VT Acclaim, I have bought an electric aerial, I have installed it, now the thing is, I pulled out the head unit to connect the antenna wire. On further inspection three pins out of the head unit plug were just hanging there. went to repco tried to get new pins for it but they said "can't do". so I bought a sony explod cd tuner. my question is, is there anyone out there you can tell me exactly how to wire the new unit to the existing wires and also get the aerial working, any help would be great.
Thanks
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