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Bassy 6"
Hey all
ok shoot me down for asking a stupid question ... BUT can anyone reccomend 6" speakers that offer some bass, if its possible?
Ok the story is I cant really afford to lose boot space by installing subs on a VX Sedan, and at the moment I'm tying up the RCA plug on the HU with an ipod input, and in all honesty I'd rather have direct ipod input (ie not via fm transmitter) then bass.
I installed some cheap Jaycar Response 6" front and rear just to trial it, and the sound is so much clearer and can be cranked up quote high without distorting, but it doesnt BOOM, I suppose I went for the wrong speakers.
I'm not really good with this stuff
I was considering maybe some Fusion speakers, dunno why, but does anyone know of any speakers that'll offer a little bit of boom shaker, or what do I need to look out for this time?
I'm not after massive shake the pavement bass, just some boom without too much effort!
I know a sub/amp is the way to go, and I'm looking into it ... but as I said I cant really lose boot space and I need to work out a way to wire in the Ipod into the RCA once the amp takes them!!
You won't get proper bass from 6" speakers... The best you could do it seal up the doors so it is more like a speaker box and choose a brand that is know for good "midbass" as that's about all you'll get from a 6".
Use the rear doors for the rear speakers rather than the parcel shelf as you can seal the doors better and should get better midbass response.
I've found Boston to have good midbass, the other brands i've used have been a fair bit behind them.
Why do you need ALL your boot space? You can get shallow mount subs and subs that require tiny enclosures. You could make a shallow box and mount it under the parcel shelf, which would take up no floor space. Or if you have the cash, get a fibreglass box made in the corner of the boot.
What sort of jaycar 6" did you get?
A decent sized 6.5" should fit most 6" enclosures, and a 3-way speaker will give you some bass at least. It's all I had in my vs in the parcel shelf (didn't want 6x9 - no cash for sub/amp) and it was pretty good for what it was. Yeah they will never match up to a proper sub or 6x9's - but they were a definite improvement.
Driving a CURSED WH V6.
you wount be able to get any good midrange thump because your h/u internal amp will distort. the more a signal is changed (by increasing the bass via the h/u) the easier the signal will be distorted be the h/u amp. this is because the signal has an amplitude and when a certain frequency is boosted (midrange/bass in this case) the amplitude will extend much further than the other parts of the signal thus it will hit the amps limits ( and be clipped). if i go on it will get too detailed and go beyond the focus of this post.
end result: get an amp and speakers.
America just kicked in yo
Get a better HU then you will have no dramas. 6 inch's were never intended to or designed to make bass. The HU amp is a POS basically so you will need a stand alone amp then you can get A High end pair of 6x9's if you don't want a sub.
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yeh, id definately say 6x9's as above for bass without subs.
Headspin
If moneys not a problem the pioneer 6" pro series splits have awesome sound once you amp them. THere the yellow kevlar cone speakers and because there kevlar you can pump a lot of power into them and they love it. I think jaycar make some kevlar splits aswell but not sure how good they are. Try ebay for your speakers cos you can get them hundreds cheaper then what the shops sell them for.
Some good comments there... you will need an amp or HU.
My calais has splits in the front with 6" woofers, not the clearest speakers ever but offer half decent bass for stockies. Only problem is that when i crank it up, high range distorts to hell when the bass thumps. Does get the mirror shakin though.
Driving a CURSED WH V6.
thats a bit worrying. the bass should be distorted.Originally Posted by mattman
KLRBASS
the speaker you bought can make some bass, but the door locations are less then ideal for making bass, the 6" speakers can pound pretty good in a box not much bigger then a shoe box. and of course your going about the stereo in the wrong way by following some of the above suggestions.
6x9s are not the best speakers to resolve the bass either. cone twist/distortion can really make them sound horrible
some of the best home speaker in the world are 6" woofers from the likes of SEAS, VIFA,focal, MORRELL. and these speaker can be purchased for car use, since some of the alpine top of the lines which cost $1,000+ bucks are made by the above companies with alpine logos on them, they do make heaps of bass but some use some crazy boxes and multiple 6" drives
the 6" woofers are extremely fast in the transient repsone of the cones (tight/fast bass) not boomy unless in our case stuffed in a uncontrolled location (door which won't ever seal properly)
changing to fusion speaker won't fix the problem if you factor in the cost of replacing them. go here to read some info before making the leap into the car audio realm and you'll understand some of the reasons behind your questions and the fixes for it
http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/caraudio.asp
Bass is pretty much any frequency under 80hz, give or take 20hz or so.
Either way, any 6" speaker is only going to play down to maybe 80hz at the most. Unless you spend TOP dollar on high quality stuff, like dynaudios or top range focal. They say they play down to about 45hz, but you would never low pass them that low.
In other words, its IMPOSSIBLE to get bass out of a 6" speaker, what you are hearing is MID BASS, its like a kick in the chess, not that bass rumble.
If you are asking for real bass, then its impossible without something that can play belore say 80hz, so you need a sub.
If you want good mid bass, then this comes from quality components with quality sound deadening in the doors.
i was much happier with the mid bass from my 6 inch splits over my 6x9. I honestly would not put 6x9 in unless you need them to fill the holes. If you want good quality sound you need a sub and an amp and then you won't be playing bass from your 6inch or 6x9 speakers.
a 4 channel amp running good s inch splits in the front and a good sub is the place to start. run your back speakers from the head unit for a bit of filler sound and that is the way to go.
Meh... might be the whole lot going... but the distortion is much more noticeable in the high end. How exactly does a thump distort?
Driving a CURSED WH V6.
Very easily... Generally when running a full range signal to speakers, the woofer is likely to distort before the treble. This is because the higher the frequency the higher the impedence, so the treble doesn't get anywhere near the same power as the woofer. The woofer usually reaches it's mechanical limits before the tweeter.
what ford i didnt see it
i learned the hard way... definetly get an amp for the splits even my high end clarion deck distorts the spekers at high volume and with an amp the quality is far better
Have you tried sealing and sound deadening your doors?
Made a pretty big improvement in my VR, and costs less than a speaker upgrade. Bout $120 total.
maybe you have harsh tweeters?Meh... might be the whole lot going... but the distortion is much more noticeable in the high end. How exactly does a thump distort?
it sounds like a large piece of thin metal been flexed back and forth type of distortion thats what mine does up to loud only to a much lower level that a piece of metal.Meh... might be the whole lot going... but the distortion is much more noticeable in the high end. How exactly does a thump distort?
get splits more bass with splits
100% not true.
its the individual driver that determines how much "bass" it can produce, not where the tweeter is mounted.
Not a valid input....
Stone said it earlier....seal up your doors. Keep your current speakers as well.
Garfa, post some pictures of what I told you to do to your doors.
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
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