Subs in wagon

[statesman_wagon89]

Which is the best way to have a 12 inch sub facing in a wagon.
I notice every one is putting them in the rear area but they put them facing towards the tailgate, wouldn't it sound better to face them towards the front?

[BigDaz]

depends, this has always been a weird subject for me. Example, when i was running a single 12in rockford P2 it sounded better facing towards the front of the car, it was a more aggressive bass. BUT my twin Fusion 12's sound better facing out, they sound dirty facing towards the front. But it could be different in a wagon, if i had a wagon i'd be puttin it against the back seat and facing towards the boot OR having it sideways, like pointing to the right hand side of the car .... yeh id do that actully lol

[azzfox]

theres a big long thread about it on here somewhere. face the subs forwards and backwards then see which you like better.

[hakhawk]

yeh, try it yourself and see what you think sounds best. mine are facing the tailgate, coz if it was facing the front you wouldnt see them very well unless u look from inside

[BigDaz]

yeh, try it yourself and see what you think sounds best. mine are facing the tailgate, coz if it was facing the front you wouldnt see them very well unless u look from inside

wouldnt see them? who cares?! i dont know about u guys but i dont have subs so ppl can see them

[yobbo88]

i thought facing them towards the tailgate was technically the correct way? the length of a soundwave from a sub was long or "low" enough so that by the time it had left the sub bounced off the back of the car and hit the passengers it was at its highest or "most powerful" point? correct me if im wrong but that is what i belive right now

[garfa]

wouldnt see them? who cares?! i dont know about u guys but i dont have subs so ppl can see them

and hence why i dont want a wagon!

[hakhawk]

i made mine for show, its just not finished yet. so u open tailgate and see the install.

[statesman_wagon89]

thanks guys, thats helps heaps, i think i'll face them towards the tailgate
looks better that way

[Driftwagon]

I have mine facing the tailgate and they sound better this way, but it is all about experimenting with there position, where the ports are etc, trial and error is the best way but use various tracks to test cause it might bet more boom facing forward, but less shake rattle and roll

[SweetWagon]

I put mine facing the back seat about 2 inches away from it. Keeps the backseat passengers happy It prob isnt the best way to do it but i didnt want people to see it from the outside as the sub-box is enclosed in another box which holds all the audio gear in the back

as seen in the avatar ^^

[semi]

facing it to the back generally makes it louder, something to do with wavelengths and path differences or something

[TheJack]

Facing them to the rear creates a pressure wave going backwards that pulls more base and sound clarity from your front speakers. Otherwise you just end up sitting in the middle of a cross fire of speakers firing sound in all directions, not so bad in a large concert hall but very bad in small spaces with hard and soft objects eg glass and seats. The speakers end up working against each other - the cones pump sound toward each other and kind of create a cancelled out wave of pressure.

Imagine your at a concert and the band in front of you and singer on stage raised up in front of you. This is the ideal enviroment you are trying to re-create in your car as best as possible.

Mounting small tweeters in the roof above the windscreen or dash (with independant controlled volume level control) will enable you to re-create this stage more accuratly than having the singers voice coming from below your elbows somewhere.

Considering this stage effect, you wouldn't have the band and singer on stage in front while the base player and drum kit are set up behind you pumping sound into the back of your ears. This creates phase shifts in sound pressure waves and unwanted bounce back etc. in other words crap sound with wandering base that seems to pump out a muddy slow response instead of a smooth sharp punch correctly in time with the song.

Having all the sound going in the same direction as much as possible, I believe is the simplest way to explain the best envirometn for your ears to hear the song the way it was intended the day of recording.

I've been building car stereo systems for over 15 years, its been a hobby that I became slightly obsessed with

[blaze]

face em backwards an ya go faster

[phree]

Depends on lots of variables, including the local air temp and pressure (alters the speed of sound). The idea is to get all the sounds from the different speakers to arrive at the listening position at the same time and in phase, as explained above. Because of the length of the wavelenth of low frequencies sometimes it is necessary to increase the path length. So if you want the best sound then you should move it around to find the best spot. Practical considerations will obviously come into it as well. Most wagons i have seen have them facing back. My sedan if far better facing back as well.

[nizmovk]

Subs or a sub mounted in the tailgate would be cool, just have to be careful not to slam it shut...

[azzfox]

Subs or a sub mounted in the tailgate would be cool, just have to be careful not to slam it shut...

not possible

[TheJack]

not possible

You say not possible. Why not?
I've been given a challenge now.......
I'll be back on here in a few months with pics

[blaze]

i wanted to put a 10''sub on me parcel shelf of my vl is that poss?

[azzfox]

You say not possible. Why not?
I've been given a challenge now.......
I'll be back on here in a few months with pics

1. Is the tailgate thick enough for one/two?
2. Is it hollow? If so it needs to be the exact desired volume (space) and sealed perfectly.
3. HAVE FUN

[90VN55]

i wanted to put a 10''sub on me parcel shelf of my vl is that poss?

yes it is possible ive seen a vl with a sub in the parcel shelf(not sure bout the size) it was mounted upside down.

[garfa]

i wanted to put a 10''sub on me parcel shelf of my vl is that poss?

the cops wont give a shit as long as you dont cut any structural metal! so inverter would be easier.

[peninsulabands]

and hence why i dont want a wagon!

if your rear windows were as dark as mine you wouldnt be able to see them anyway.

because i cant.

and my windows are perfectly legal.