Splits in front and rear doors?

[Marzz]

Hi All,

I have a VZ Wagon and want to replace the factory junk in the front and rear doors.

I've been tossing up between splits for the front and rear doors or just splits up front and coaxials in the rear doors. I'm replacing the manual windows with electric ones in the rear doors so there will be a hole where the winder was. I'm thinking this would be a nice place to put the tweeters. I don't want to go all out with a sub as I really need the space in the wagon and it has to be child-proof.

System I was thinking of is:

Phreddy's mod to my std HU.
Jaycar 6.5" splits for front and rear doors.
Jaycar 4 X 50W Amp.

So basically would splits be overkill in the rear doors? Budget is about what it would cost for the above mentioned hardware, say around $800.00 max.

Thanks,

Marz.

[SweetWagon]

You have to ask yourself, do you care about the rear passengers that much?

[Joe Peeps]

^Agreed. The passengers can have your scraps. Dont waste Phreddy's mod on some cheapie splits! leave the back as is and double the budget for the fronts, You can then get a 2 channel instead which will give more headroom and should be cheaper.

EDIT* Yes i am aware that Phreddy himself has the Jaycar splits

[SweetWagon]

might sound a bit crap if only the fronts are being amped. I say if your willing to pay extra for 2 sets of splits then go for it

[Car Audio Factory Outlet]

^Agreed. The passengers can have your scraps. Dont waste Phreddy's mod on some cheapie splits! leave the back as is and double the budget for the fronts, You can then get a 2 channel instead which will give more headroom and should be cheaper.

EDIT* Yes i am aware that Phreddy himself has the Jaycar splits

You could go for two sets of SPR-17LS and a MRV-F345 for $900.00

Or two sets of T162S and a P450.4 for $1000.00

or two sets of TS-C1625 and a GM-6200F for $800.00

you will get shoot Joey!!

[Marzz]

Thanks for the input guys....

Ok, if the consensus is not to worry about the passengers in the rear (my kids mainly) how about subs in the rear doors? Are there subs that small?

[lieos]

i've definitely have heard of 6.5" subs i think JL audio makes some dont know how good they are or if they need an enclosure.

[Joe Peeps]

might sound a bit crap if only the fronts are being amped. I say if your willing to pay extra for 2 sets of splits then go for it

What?!? Tell that to all the SQ afficionado's, many of whom fade their rears out completely (or dont even have any installed, let alone amped) I run boston SL60's (cheap end of the mid price range id say) and leave my rears stock and unamped and it sounds pretty decent. If your spending big dough then buy the two sets of splits. When your buying jaycar, IMHO you are way better off spending more on the front splits. One set of good splits in the front getting the proper juice will kill any two sets of average splits.

Marzz, your looking at minimum 8 inch drivers for subs - 6.5 cant handle the low end adequately. I know you said you didnt have room for subs, but you can get some that require a small box <1 cu ft. If you want bass, id consider this option.

[Sir-Psycho-Sexy]

Thanks for the input guys....

Ok, if the consensus is not to worry about the passengers in the rear (my kids mainly) how about subs in the rear doors? Are there subs that small?

Jay car have 6.5" subs for $80 each (I think they still stock them)

[Joe Peeps]

The Jaycar 6.5 - or any other 6.5 woofer for that matter, will never suffice as a sub, so dont expect much from them in terms of subbass - which is what i gathered you were you aiming for?

[Marzz]

Ok guys, I really, REALLY appreciate the input (especially Joey Peeps, thanks bloke )....

Maybe I should be more explicit in what I want from my car audio sound!!
Ok, 70% of the time I'm driving on-my-own! I like to listen to a lot of different music eg, AC/DC, Led Zep, LL Cool J, NIN, The Crystal Method (my CD collection is massive 500+ CD's I think!!), radio station is JJJ. The rest of the time I'll have the kids in the back and the missus next to me. We do take long (2 to 5 hour) trips at least once a month, so the kids being able to hear the Wiggles "Hot Potato", "Fruit Salad", etc, etc, is probably important... I do like my music LOUD when I'm on my own..

Ok, so where do I go from here???

Thanks again,

Marz.

[Joe Peeps]

Appreciate the props man, when you finish uni you get to spend all day online

Ok: Not wanting to bogart the thread, but if i was in your position, this is what i would do based on countless hours reading (and a few spent auditioning) and also assumes you will never want a sub

- Go ahead with Phreddy's mod as planned - all reports give two thumbs up and his advice is always spot on.
- Go the jaycar splits up front. They are king in the under $250 price bracket - 12volt, phreddy, Garfa etc have all posted similar sentiments so this is a safe bet
- Buy the jaycar 2x80wrms amp
- Leave the rears stock: They'll be good to play the wiggles no problems...

Get in your car and crank that classic rock - Gods gift to man!!!!! I also recommend In Flames if you havent already heard of them. soundtrack to your escape and come clarity = good Enjoy, and good luck

[fnlow1]

I would tend to agree with the advice Joey Peeps has given.... if you want to throw some more money at the system I would only go for something worth a little more than the Jaycar splits in the front.

Ie Boston 6.5's, Focal etc etc

But I dare say you would be more than happy with the results that Joey's suggestions will bring you

[Marzz]

Again, THANKS Joey Peeps...

Errm, why the 2x80 amp Joey Peeps??? Seems a bit of a waste getting phreddy's mod done and only using half of it!!!

Just looking at the Jaycar splits again (catalog & website) there doesn't seem to be any spec's listed for them!!!

[Tasmaniak]

I would tend to agree with the advice Joey Peeps has given.... if you want to throw some more money at the system I would only go for something worth a little more than the Jaycar splits in the front.

There in lies the problem. You have to throw in a LOT more money to better the quality of the Jaycar.

Here is my recommendation and its pretty close to JPs

Front Doors Jaycar 6.5" Components $149.95

Rear Doors Jaycar 6.5" Coaxials $119.45

Amplifier 4x100 Jaycar $299.95

Now, yes that amp is a little bit of overkill for the speakers but you said you like id loud right? Well, then you would'vebeen let down by that 4x50 or 2x80. If you like it loud and you want some form of bass then you need to amplify all four speakers. Trust me on the that one! Especially if your not running a sub. I don't run a sub in my wagon (shock horror disbelief!) but I do have all four door speakers amped and if I fade out the rear two speakers then the quality and bass just drop to virtually nothing.

So, this will probably be a little more then you wanted to spend but lets be honest here...not by too much! It's only by about $70 and you are getting a much better system then what you intended to purchase

Hope this helps

[Joe Peeps]

Ive been schooled on the front soundstage is better ideals, and as such i figured i'd save you some dough and cut out the rears altogether - i forgot the point of phreddy's mod, so you make a valid point. As such im Jumping on the 12volt bandwagon - he always comes through in the clutch! Peace

[Tasmaniak]

Joey, that train of schooling works well when there is a subwoofer involved.

[Marzz]

Thanks 12Voltking!

I was thinking along the line you suggested... That is, to compensate for the lack of a sub I really should keep the rear door speakers in some form... That's not to say that Joey Peeps suggestions were bad/wrong in any way. I still may go with the splits in the rear doors, but I will definitely up the amp to 100W x 4, even though it goes over my prescribed budget, I'll just have to save a few more $$$ for the upgrade.

Again, thanks to all that have contributed to this thread and I'll try and post an install thread (with pics) when the job is done.

Marz.

[Tasmaniak]

Thanks 12Voltking!

I was thinking along the line you suggested... That is, to compensate for the lack of a sub I really should keep the rear door speakers in some form... That's not to say that Joey Peeps suggestions were bad/wrong in any way. I still may go with the splits in the rear doors, but I will definitely up the amp to 100W x 4, even though it goes over my prescribed budget, I'll just have to save a few more $$$ for the upgrade.

Again, thanks to all that have contributed to this thread and I'll try and post an install thread (with pics) when the job is done.

Marz.

Not a problem Marz. To be perfectly honest though...I would waste my money on the splits for the rear doors.

[hawkau]

Just a thought I heard elswhere. Get the set of jaycar splits and a set of the jaycar coaxals but use the woofer from the splits in the front door and the woofer from the splits for the rear door. Apparantly the magnet in the coaxals is bigger than the splits thus producing a bit more sound.

[Tasmaniak]

thats news to me but even if it was true it really won't make an audible difference.

[davey g-force]

Here is my recommendation and its pretty close to JPs

Front Doors Jaycar 6.5" Components $149.95

Rear Doors Jaycar 6.5" Coaxials $119.45

Amplifier 4x100 Jaycar $299.95

I have the EXACT same setup that 12Volt is talking about and I can definitely vouch for it.

[Marzz]

I wonder what Santa is going to bring me for Chrissy!!

[Joe Peeps]

A couple of jousting sticks???

Enjoy your new setup when it comes mate, should be a corker and cheap too.

[Car Audio Factory Outlet]

A couple of jousting sticks???

Enjoy your new setup when it comes mate, should be a corker and cheap too.

In the New Year I say that we organise to get some of the JAYCAR Crap--- sorry STUFF and do actual tests with it again the major brands

Jaycar 6.5" verse Pioneer , Alpine, EFX and RF - of the same RRP$ and see what the results are

Including the AMPS... SUBS etc

Who would like to volunteer to do the TESTING to... plus to what SPECS etc.

Any Suggestions....


THen we can put a nail in this COFFIN!!!!