need help.... 2005 echo

[dave_is_me_115]

hello there i am needing a bit of help, would anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a 2005 toyota echo?

regards from dave

[garfa]

this is a holden forum, not toyota.
also maybe this is a bit harsh, but since you are an installer do you want to contribute as well as asking questions? can always use more people.

[daron]

just for your info the wiring is rong on that site hehehe

[Tasmaniak]

what site? what did I miss?

12V - Blue
Earth - Brown
Ignition - Grey
Illumination - Green

LF + Pink
LF - Purple
RF + light green
RF - blue
LR + Black
LR - Yellow
RR + Red
RR - White

[Adelaideprosound]

^^^^ Correct.

Now if the original poster is an installer, cant you grab a multimeter and test all the relevant wires which have voltage on them and grab a little 1.5v battery and polarity test the speakers.

Quite simple if you ask me, there is no need for a diagram.

[Tasmaniak]

I know it's correct. Now give me my medal. As for 1.5V battery? 'sif your gonna rip the door panels off to see which way a speaker moves.

[Adelaideprosound]

Not necessarily, but you can hear which speaker pops. A battery is a polarity tester but it can be used to make sure your wiring the right speakers onto the right headunit wires.

And there is no need for the hero attitude, i was agreeing with you, in case you didnt notice.

Not everyone is born with the knowledge of wire colours like u so there needs to be a procedure in place on how to correctly test which wire does what.

[Tasmaniak]

but if you can't get the polarity correct then what are you doing putting the HU in with a battery? No hero attitude at all from me man.

[Adelaideprosound]

Well if u dont have access to a wiring diagram and you cannot be stuffed ripping the door trim off then there is no way to get polarity correct is there .

To me it doesnt bother at all since i know what wires are what polarity, but generally if you use a battery just to get the SPEAKER POSITIONING CORRECT. At least if you get this right then your FADER wont be out of whack. Then it doesnt matter if you get the + and - right, as long as you get the PHASING right.

You feel me .

Sorry if i appear a little bit upfront champ i do these things in my sleep so im just trying to explain how to properly do one.

[garfa]

hehe installer Vs installer.
($50 on '.'!)
it just seems really stupid to myself to not go with the good old trusted method of matching colours with a trace on the neg for speakers. still its a toyota.....

[daron]

yeah ya dont need to remove door spkrs to work out phazing
little battery and knowlage will get ya buy
if ya know what ya doing ya dont need to waste time removing door trims

[Tasmaniak]

8 wires = 4 pairs

You get one pair around the wrong way and you are out of phase. Now which pair was it? How in gods name are you going to tell with a battery when you can't see the speakers?

I totally understand about + and - not mattering so long as the phase is correct. but how are you going to tell? By ear?

"ooOOoo I get more bass this way, it must be in phase."

Seriously, how? I wanna know! I can't figure out how you would do it....I've installed a headunit or two an I wouldn't have a clue you could do it.

See, you can learn new things everyday!

[daron]

hahaha buy ear yes buy ear
seruoisly thats what out of phase is
its not hard to work out + and _ in a looom when ya know what ya doing
no need to look at spkrs

[Tasmaniak]

I just lost all faith in you.

Alexander Graham Bell was the first one to point out that the human ear is one of the worst listening devices. Many cars you cannot discern phasing.

I actually thought you had a real technique there.

[daron]

obviosly your not an installer
like i said expericed installers know hwo to wire things up corectly
if you have one set of your 4 sets out of wack you will hear the difference in sound so you can fix it and all will sound good again

[Tasmaniak]

I guess I musn't be.

or, I prefer not to redneck things. Do it once, do it right and don't waste time screwing around.

[azkwazere]

obviosly your not an installer
like i said expericed installers know hwo to wire things up corectly

hahahahahahhahaha

the '.' ... not an installer.... hahhahahhahahahah daron, your a tool.

think ill back 12volt on this one...

hahaha waht a laugh

aZk.

[daron]

if he was an installer he would know ya can use ya ears to hear if spkrs are out of phase
im saying you dont have to take door trims off to hear it
ps i didnt bag you please dont bag me
as for tool ...............................

[azkwazere]

lets just say the '.' is a very experiece installer.... has contirbuted majorly in this site.... almost always has an answer to an audio question... very knoweleageable with car audio....

do a search for '.' and see how many posts he has made regarding this.

i was pretty sure EVERYONE on this site from 2006 onwards knew that one...

aZk.

[Tasmaniak]

as an experienced installer I know to NOT trust my ears for anything.

as an experienced installer I don't make assumptions based upon my ears.

as an experienced installer I cut my wire, solder it, heat shrink it and leave it.

I do NOT cut my wire, solder it, heat shrink it, switch radio on an drealise I have a single speaker out of four out of phase and that I must now go back in and rewire my ENTIRE system beucase I didn't do it properly the first time. Your right, I don't pull door trims off of cars to check for polarity. I use a book.

You my dear sir are a hack. It's installers like you that make people say that installing car audio and acc is easy and to NEVER trust an installer because they will cut your car up.

You are the sort of installer that I see cars coming in for repairs where a wire has been joined multiple times because someone can't be bothered doing it right in the first place. I like fixing your mistakes, it makes me feel better when I charge people again. I know where they will come back too. Do you work for Strathfield? JB HiFi? Autobahn?

[azkwazere]

good one.... now the '.' is pissed off...told you he was good...

aZk.

[daron]

dude i never said anything about your installing so back off and shut the **** up
i said ya dont have to take the door trim off to check spkrs
as an installer i too wire **** up the same and solder
i also said a good installer will know whats hes doing and you do know what ya doing
i was talking about another coment from someone
not you
i am saying if someone knows what they are doing you will wire it right the first time and not rely on eays but your eays can tell if its out of phase
if your eays cant maybe your deaf i dont know

also myself and heaps other installers dont use a book to work out the polarity of 4 spkrs in a echo
like i keep saying a good installer will knwo the colors

also as a hack you do not know my work of 16 yrs so till you do you cant say ****
i too help out a lot of ppl from jc and off the net and have a lot of very happy ppl with my work
so keep ya hack thoughts to your self unless you know my work

[Tasmaniak]

hahaha, you seriously remember every goddamned colour? Your a genius. Pure genius. About the only one I remember off by heart is Lambos. Don't pull that comment from someone else BS with me. It was meant for me.

Don't trust your ears. After 16 years of auto acc you should know by now not to trust your ears. They are wrong...very wrong... always. The VR-VS commodore is a prime example of that. Swap out the stock headunit and wire you speakers out of phase and you get sound thats better then stock and substantially louder. But once you get it in phase it sounds like you are running a small sub in there. Had you ahve gotten the the speaker out of phase wrong in the first place and you would have sent that customer out rocking away thinking you did a good job when infact you did a poor job.

know the colours....now thats a good one.

[daron]

hahahaaha your a idiot mate wire any car out of phaze isnt going to sound better
and yes ya can know lots colors of wiring and echos havent changed so they are mostly all the same
camry is the same echos same apollos the same
if you cant hear it its time to get out of the indusrty
if you can only remmeber one car then its time to get out of the industry
if you think making vr/vs out of phase is better then its time to get out of the industry
nyways im not going to go back and forward all night saying whos better or worse, ill let you think your stuff ill think mine
if any real installers are on here would like to see your coments too

[Tasmaniak]

It will actually sound better over stock.

Sure I can hear when it's out of phase...does it mean I trust it? No, Do you? you shouldn't
I can remember plenty of cars, do I trust my memory to be 100% accurate all the time? No. Neither should you.

Any installer that goes purely and simply by memory is an installer to be wary of.