Trouble with APO60, tracking badly

[savage1987]

In addition to my previous thread on the proper use of Menzerna's Hi-Cut, I thought I'd have a little rant here and see if anyone can help me out.

Currently I have APO60 tracks across half my roof, that won't come out. They are not burned in to the paint layer, rather it is very obvious tracking. I have tried quite a few things to get rid of this, including MORE APO60 over the top and a higher speed buffer run over it. I HATE using the rotary at high speeds on my paintwork, as it inevitably leaves nasty swirls through it. I tried a buffer and some water sprayed to try to loosen it up. Didn't work. I tried applying and removing by hand (states on the bottle this should work) and it didn't work. I am running out of options, can anyone help me out?

At this stage to be honest, I am very disappointed with the Menzerna gear. I have little doubt that this is user error, but the learning curve here in a warm shed that doesn't have the best lighting is proving ridiculous. I can get better results in FAR less time with the shithouse products I have used in the past. If I can't work this new stuff out, I will be ripping through it all with the products I know and starting from scratch. I don't want to have to do that after the work that's gone in so far.


Any tips please throw them my way, I have never ever had so much trouble with a product before.

Sam

[savage1987]

I have just torn back my roof with AG 03B, waste of half a day yesterday with the Menzerna gear - I now need to rip the whole car back with 03B. I even tried the Menzerna final polish (sampler kit, 1 before the wax) again over the top, and it tracked everywhere again! It is stubborn stuff though, takes a bit of cutting to get rid of it.

I am starting to wonder if this is in fact user error, or a disagreement with my paintwork, because I cannot have done anything THAT wrong. As it stands, I am (I think understandably) very disappointed with my purchase, as it has caused me nothing but trouble and I got an incomparably better result from the bottle of AutoGlym 03B I already had in the shed. I will still use the DG sealant over the top when I am satisfied I have any swirling from the 03B taken care of.


Sam

[Scooter79]

Could be number of factors. What brand and type of pads are you using, how much pressure are you applying? It may be a case of very soft paint and too harsh pad.

Are you using a rotary? In some cases it may be almost impossible to finish with a rotary without leaving holograms and in that case you'll need to finish with a DA. Depending on the paint, even some pros find it difficult to finish with a rotary.

[savage1987]

Nah I'm not talking about holograms, but actual marks, polish deposited onto the paint surface that requires a cut to get rid of it. Also tried applying by hand = can see every circle in the application pattern.

Pads are a nice medium feel yellow pad, I think Gelson make them but I could be wrong. I've never had a problem getting a good finish with a rotary, usually I use the rotary to cut back with a couple of grades of compound until I have it down to a nice fine grade, then apply the final layer or two by hand, then sealant by hand.

Sam

[Scooter79]

Are you working the product long enough for it to break down?

[savage1987]

Was trying to but it kept drying up and then just refused to be moved by the buff, even with a light water spray . . I've had a tip to use Quick Detailer to lubricate it a bit, I will try that next time. For some reason on the day I convinced myself that Quick Detailer was a terrible idea, and would result in an uneven finish. Don't know how I came up with that theory but I will give it a crack on my mate's white VR Senator over Christmas.

Sam

[VicVXBerlina]

APO60 is a Wax with a very fine cleaner/polish in it so I would be using a very fine pad either a black or Blue pad in the LC range and on a low speed . Dont know the actual brand you are usng but yellow is normaly a harsh pad for used for correction. Also were did you get the Wax from just out of interest?

[savage1987]

Online ordered through CCP as part of their Menzerna Sampler Kit. I think the problem was more that the other polishes stuck to the surface to a small extent, and I thought that being an AIO product, the AP060 might get rid of the remnants of polish and just leave a nice clean wax coat. Assuming that might have been a mistake.