Quick Wax Question

[jokerflingo]

Hey guys i am currently using Meguiars NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 Liquid and it is all well and good but now that i look into it further i think i read that with each application it actually removes a layer of my clear coat?

If this is so i am going to have to start using another product as my car which is a Holden VS Ute, is relatively old and i am unsure how much clear coat it has left. So i would rather just wax it and leave the clear coat intact. Is the Meguiars Gold Class Wax or Meguiars Hi-Tech Yellow Wax any good and safe for my clear coat so that it wont eat any more away?

If not what else can you recommended? Unless i have got it all wrong as i have been reading about the liquid and paste version of the Meguiars NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 and it seems to me that the paste version definitly has some sort of abrasive to remove fine swirls/scratches but i am unsure about the liquid version?

Any help would be highly appreciated as the roof on my ute is the main item in question which i think is the only panel on my car that was not resprayed by the previous owner and such is probably 13 years old.

Just last of all does anyone also have a rough guess how much it would cost to just respray the roof of my ute?

Thanks
Matt.

[Car Care Products]

Hi Matt,

Yes you are right in thinking that you should not be using abrasives so often and when not needed on your paint, especially when it is fairly old.

I presume it is in fairly good condition and you are really trying to protect it? If so I would go with Duragloss Paint Protection this has NO abrasives and will clean, coat and protect your paint for a long time - much longer than Megs Tech Wax - in fact you should only need to apply every 6 months, every 4 months if you are extremely keen.

The Fast Clean & Shine Detailing spray will really make your car shine as well and a couple of sprays can be used after every wash to do so and add even more protection.

So the pack should last you at least 3+ years, giving you much better value than the Tech Wax.

Not sure on a price for the respray, it depends on whether it is clear coated or not, I have heard of partial paint jobs from $250 ranging to $2,500 - I would look for a quality body shop that produce good results (you can see the quality of the cars they are putting out) and not a back-street cheap mob, I have seen sooooo many bad paint jobs that owners then had to pay again to fix. It also depends on the area. Put a post up and hopefully some others from your area can help you out with suggestions of bodyshops they have used and been happy with.

Hope this helps.

[jokerflingo]

Thanks for the quick reply, i am really interested in this as it really sounds like you know what your doing which is good. When you say it has no abrasives but it still cleans, what does that actually mean because doesn't any sort of polish sort of take away a layer of paint/clear?

Yes my paint is still relatively good due to the fact that most panels have been resprayed by the previous owner even though its quite old, it is a clear coat Botanica Mica colour. As for the product you described is that probably the best combo for my situation? As i didn't even know that the tech wax had abrasives in it and would rather keep what ever clear coat i have left which is still hopefully a bit.

As for the wax in your item you described will i be able to wash it a few times in between waxes without the wax totally coming off and does it also sort of shed water so i know when there is little wax left and its time for another coat as the tech wax does? That was the only thing i didn't like about it was it didn't last long oh and the fact it eats my clear coat.

As for the respray its only for my ute roof in Botanica Mica and i was just looking for a rough guesstimate for when the time comes to get a respray for it.

Last of all if i purchased your system you recommended i presume i would Wash Car, Clay Car, Clean(Polish if needed?), Wax Car and enjoy each and every time i wash my car afterwards? Would i have to Polish/Clean every time i wax as wouldn't this do the same thing as the tech wax and eat away my clear coat?

EDIT: I also just saw the Duragloss 111 Clear Coat Polish, is it similar? Any others that are also on par or better then the one you recommended as its very interesting.

Thanks
Matt.

[davey g-force]

Meg's NXT 2.0 wax (or most waxes for that matter) does not contain abrasives and will not "eat away" your clear coat. Where did you hear that?

Think of waxes as putting a protective layer on, whilst polishes / cleaners take a microscopically thin layer off. Unless it's a cleaner-wax (which NXT isn't) and even then, the abrasive action is negligible.

[jokerflingo]

Meg's NXT 2.0 wax (or most waxes for that matter) does not contain abrasives and will not "eat away" your clear coat. Where did you hear that?

Think of waxes as putting a protective layer on, whilst polishes / cleaners take a microscopically thin layer off. Unless it's a cleaner-wax (which NXT isn't) and even then, the abrasive action is negligible.

Hmmm, see this is what confuses me as i am unsure as to how much clear coat my ute roof has which is the main area i am worried about.

On Meguiars NXT 2.0 wax is states some along these lines

"Our ESP technology eliminates fine scratches and swirls and leaves your finish deeper, wetter, shinier and more reflective."

Doesn't this mean it takes away some clear coat with each application which doesn't really seem to last very long anyways?

Thanks for helping me sort out this issue.
Matt.

[davey g-force]

The text on the packaging is a bit confusing.

By "fine scratches and swirls" they mean "really, really fine scratches and swirls".

And by "eliminates" they mean "hides by filling in". Any product (such as a wax) designed to leave a protective layer on your paint will to some extent fill in minor scratches/swirls, though this is not their primary purpose.

I've found NXT to be a really good wax. Is there any reason why you're concerned about your clear coat apart from its age? The reality is that normal polishes applied by hand take off such a small fraction of your clear coat compared to its total thickness, that its not generally a concern. And a wax will take off a tiny fraction of that fraction, if anything at all, so you really have nothing to worry about.

[jokerflingo]

The text on the packaging is a bit confusing.

By "fine scratches and swirls" they mean "really, really fine scratches and swirls".

And by "eliminates" they mean "hides by filling in". Any product (such as a wax) designed to leave a protective layer on your paint will to some extent fill in minor scratches/swirls, though this is not their primary purpose.

I've found NXT to be a really good wax. Is there any reason why you're concerned about your clear coat apart from its age? The reality is that normal polishes applied by hand take off such a small fraction of your clear coat compared to its total thickness, that its not generally a concern. And a wax will take off a tiny fraction of that fraction, if anything at all, so you really have nothing to worry about.

Thats what i thought it did was mainly fill in the scratches etc, but i guess i am just paranoid after seeing so many VS's with metallic/2pac paints going around that have lost their clear that i couldn't bare to see that happen to my VS Ute Roof and then it will probably cost big $$$ to fix.

I swear that the scratches on the roof are also getting worse every time i wax it which makes me think the clear coat is disappearing and underlying scratches are coming through.

Also the NXT Wax is great but it doesn't seem to last long, it seems that every time i wash the car the wax is gone?

I attached the worst photo i was able to take of the patches on the roof where the previous owner also obviously let bird shits or what ever etch through, but i think its also the only panel that hasn't been resprayed.

Oh by the way i dont like fractions, so do you think my paintwork will be alright for quite a while yet? I still think i will try the above product that ccp recommended just for something new that will hopefully last a little longer.

Thanks
Matt.

[VicVXBerlina]

Some sealants & Waxes have chemical cleaners that lift the crud out of your paint, they dont take paint off, some also have fillers to hide those small Scrathes . If you see any car loosing clear, this is because they have not used a sealant or wax in their life and the sun or bird poo has eaten into it and made it let go. Look at a sealant as a sun screen for your car. The Duragloss products are excellent as they have a great durability, leave Megs for dead and yes I have used both.

[jokerflingo]

Some sealants & Waxes have chemical cleaners that lift the crud out of your paint, they dont take paint off, some also have fillers to hide those small Scrathes . If you see any car loosing clear, this is because they have not used a sealant or wax in their life and the sun or bird poo has eaten into it and made it let go. Look at a sealant as a sun screen for your car. The Duragloss products are excellent as they have a great durability, leave Megs for dead and yes I have used both.

Damn i think you have just sealed the deal and technically have cost me money as i reckon i will be buying some duragloss before my next wash/wax. I am guessing its probably a good price/performance product or do you have any other opinions?

[Car Care Products]

The text on the packaging is a bit confusing.

By "fine scratches and swirls" they mean "really, really fine scratches and swirls".

And by "eliminates" they mean "hides by filling in". Any product (such as a wax) designed to leave a protective layer on your paint will to some extent fill in minor scratches/swirls, though this is not their primary purpose.

I just wanted to comment on the above. The first 2 statements are very correct, text and descriptions on a lot of car care products is confusing. And yes fine means very, very fine as you are correct that Tech Wax fills these and helps make the car look good - for a short amount of time.

However your last statement about every 'wax' containing fillers is very wrong. Quality waxes and sealants do not contain fillers - in fact 80% of our range does NOT. There is a place for products with fillers because they help hide minor imperfections and improve the apperance of the finish, are easy to apply by hand but the drawback is they do not last long and then those same marks are back again.

Sorry if this seems petty but I am just trying to educate as best I can to help everyone on the forum, so they have the facts and can decide the best course of action for their car.

[Car Care Products]

I swear that the scratches on the roof are also getting worse every time i wax it which makes me think the clear coat is disappearing and underlying scratches are coming through.

Also the NXT Wax is great but it doesn't seem to last long, it seems that every time i wash the car the wax is gone?

Hi Matt,

There should not be any 'underlying scratches' and these do not 'come through' what you are seeing are the same scratches and marks coming back once the fillers wash out. The only other factor is whether you are putting more scratches in as you wash - are you using the 2 Bucket Method, with a soft mitt (not cheap sponge) and a soft drying towel (not synthetic chamois) - if not you are probably putting in more scratches and marks every time you wash!

And yes you are correct that NXT wax does not last long, as mentioned above products that do multiple functions (All-In-One Waxes & Polishes) do not offer long term protection because they also contain cleaners, fillers or abrasives as well as a little bit of sealant (wax). If you just use a 'pure' sealant or wax to protect your paint then it will last much longer.

Duragloss will outlast Nxt Tech wax easily - everytime

[vxcalais_01]

Hmmm, see this is what confuses me as i am unsure as to how much clear coat my ute roof has which is the main area i am worried about.

On Meguiars NXT 2.0 wax is states some along these lines

"Our ESP technology eliminates fine scratches and swirls and leaves your finish deeper, wetter, shinier and more reflective."

Doesn't this mean it takes away some clear coat with each application which doesn't really seem to last very long anyways?

Thanks for helping me sort out this issue.
Matt.

Meguiars NXT will not cut your clear coat but coat and fill the scratches. Scratch X, Swirl X, Ultimate Compound, Paint Cleaner and their professional range will have cutters in it.

For $74 i would go with the Duragloss package. THe MEgs NXT is around $40+. Get the kit will all those things in it rags etc. The only thing that kit is missing is some Aquawax.

[davey g-force]

However your last statement about every 'wax' containing fillers is very wrong. Quality waxes and sealants do not contain fillers - in fact 80% of our range does NOT. There is a place for products with fillers because they help hide minor imperfections and improve the apperance of the finish, are easy to apply by hand but the drawback is they do not last long and then those same marks are back again.

Sorry if this seems petty but I am just trying to educate as best I can to help everyone on the forum, so they have the facts and can decide the best course of action for their car.

I too don't want to seem petty but I didn't actually say that all waxes contain fillers.

I'm saying that by the very nature of what a wax/sealant does (leaves a protective layer on your paint) it's going to leave something inside the scratches too, thereby (to some extent) filling them in. Whether it contains actual dedicated fillers or not, the product itself will do some type of filling.

I'm not trying to argue one brand vs the other, I learned long ago that doing that on a forum just turns into a sh!tfight. Just trying to help the OP and anyone else out.

[jokerflingo]

Awesome, thanks heaps guys i actually have a better understanding now of how to care for my car.

Also CCP you have a PM

[Bravotwozero]

Some sealants & Waxes have chemical cleaners that lift the crud out of your paint, they dont take paint off, some also have fillers to hide those small Scrathes . If you see any car loosing clear, this is because they have not used a sealant or wax in their life and the sun or bird poo has eaten into it and made it let go. Look at a sealant as a sun screen for your car. The Duragloss products are excellent as they have a great durability, leave Megs for dead and yes I have used both.

And that's why you can't layer theses waxes. Because the second layer will basically remove the first. This makes them shit imo. I don't use anything with fillers in it. Paint correction via polishing then wax for protecting. Either synthetic or carnauba. Or if you're obsessed like me, layer carnauba over the seal!