Red 308 into vh commodore?

[vkwalks39]

G'day guys, I have a small question for you's. I might have brought this up, but i cant remember when!!....lol......Anyway, I have a red 308 stroked out to 330, using chevy guts, now can i put a red motor into my vh commodore with the pollution gear a long with? If i can't i do have 253 blue. And, put the 308 into my vk... Cheers Jason.........Go pies!!

[soop]

You can't put a red block in any commodore baring a VB.
They'll look at the engine number and tell you it doesn't comply with EPA standards. Regardless of what else is done.

For the sake of $200 buy a VN block. Then you'll have no issues.

[vkwalks39]

thanks mate, i had another vk it had a vb 253 in it i got that rego alright. I have though about putting a efi 50ltr, in one of my commodores.Maybe, i should just put the 253 blue into my vh, and buy a EFI 50ltr, for the vk. And the 308 go in to my daughter's ute. What do you reckon? I have a Pro comp dizzy up for sale?

[soop]

lol have fun selling the pro crap dizzy.

You got lucky with the VB 253 then.

As for the EFI 5.0, I'd convert it to carby if its going into an older commie. Its just easier IMO, only cost you $800 for a manifold + carb and a few other bits and peices.

[VNracer34G]

If the engines been built the deck of the block may well have been machined and obliterated the engine number anyway, how often do emissions gear etc get checked over by anyone actually knowing what they're looking at? That $800 manifold+carb isn't any more emissions compliant than a red 308 (which is easy enough to paint blue or black) and you've already got it.
Just my 50c worth and no experience of the powers that be in Aussie

[soop]

Its Vic roads which are the pain. It doesnt matter what you've done. If the engine number says its a red motor they wont allow it.

But a carbed 5.0 is fine. Because the number says so.

[vkwalks39]

thanks soop, my engine builder told me the other day that procomp dizzy are crap!!! lol. We have decide to put the 253 blue in the vh, and, the vk yep? I go down to see my mate who's a mechanic here in town and talk about the red 308 going into the vk. If he's no then, we look at efi 50ltr...Cheers Jason

[soop]

Procomp anything is shit.

Wouldn't touch it if you paid me.

[ari666]

procomp dizzys are fine. change the HEI unit and its as good as a bosch one.

[soop]

Mmmhmm. I'll let you have it then.

[ari666]

i had one on my holden and i have one on my impala. all they are is a magnetic pick-up really. just something that spins around. the important bit is the HEI unit, and that i replaced with a bosch.

[soop]

You've been lucky then.
I've heard and seen a few horror stories.

[ari666]

well there isnt just that, i have 3 for the commodore, all with different springs and weights, bought 1 for my mates ford galaxie and 1 for his 308. everyone has been fine. in fact, 2 of the 3 i have for the commo have been off to the dizzy guys to get re-graphed and they didnt complain.

there isnt much that can go wrong with em' unless you buy the crap with the coil in the cap... then your just ASKING for misfiring.

[soop]

I've seen a procomp dizzy that's had the gear sheared off the bottom.
Got me farked how that happens.

[vkwalks39]

Gday guys, Yeah, the procomp that i've got it does have the coil pack on top of it. I went to my engine builder today, ask him about the 308 he said as long I've got the pollution gear with it shouldn't be a problem and to paint it black, which I am......Then, we talk about the EFI 50ltr, He said that I'll have bonnet issues with throttle body hitting each other. Cheers Jason

[ari666]

well if it IS going to be a 50 litre, then i guess you probably would have issues, but i have never heard of that being a problem before with a 304. ??

[vkwalks39]

ari666, there's a bloke who lives in ararat, has efi 50ltr in his vk, I don't think he has a issues with, maybe he has low engine mounts. I dont know! Maybe, I should just stick with what I got. I have few v8's lay around here, 3x 253, and 1x 308, 3x 202's. The engine that going into vh is 253, 308 going into vk.....Cheers Jason

[soop]

I've never heard of the TB hitting the bonnet. The VK has a higher profile then the VR/VS and the same K frame AFAIK.

You'll be lucky to get away with the red motor without getting a pollution test done. If they pick the number, you're rooted.

[ari666]

since when do they make a 202 V8?

[soop]

lol, gonna start calling you Stealthy, Ari! :P

VKwalks - you realise the 5.0ltr is the same motor as the 308 with a slightly different crank? The engine actually sits a bit lower because it doesn't have a carby on it.

[vkwalks39]

soop, ok, i didn't know that. well you learn something new everyday don't you!!... lol... I've driven a efi 50ltr before my brother cars he's got a NSW Pursuit commodore,(VR S-PAK BT-1). And, it fly's. To me I think I got with the OL' SKOOL V8... I've been quoted $700 on street terra adjustable Roller Rockers, Is this to prices or just right? I've never had roller rockers b4.......Cheers Jason

[ari666]

STOP CALLING IT A 50 LITRE!!!! lol.

yeah street terras are about that price for adjustables, about 500 for solid shaft mounts VPW Performance Mailorder. worth every penny in my opinion, but others would disagree. what sort of cam are you fitting? do you really need adjustables? if its just a baby then you may as well save the 200 bucks and go solid.

[vkwalks39]

50ltr!!! lol. ok, this is what I'm doing to my 50LTR!!...308 stroker 330 using chevy guts ,hyperautic piston have the comp up to 10.5:1, double timing chain, heads ported and polish big valves, edlebrock troker manifold, holley 650 d/p, GMH Electronic dizzy with a MSD blaster 3D coil, Street terra roller rockers adj, Crow cam 5616( hyd lifter cam)-- ( 300/ 240/ 108/ 0.495"). Lumpy idle, good power, Needs exhaust system and improved heads the rpm range is 2900 to 5900, behind it I'm going for an aussie 4spd, diff 10 bolt 3.08, maybe minispool or L.S.D. Knowing my luck the cam will be to small, or the 4spd will be crap!! lol Or the engine will blow up!!.....Cheers Jason......... One day I'll like to have the solid roller crane cam 288.

[soop]

I think you mean a 333ci stroker.
It would be easier to go 355ci stroker. Kits are redily availible.

[Zeussy]

Isn't the 304 -EFI - 4.9L
And the 308 - Carby - 5.0L?