Brake differences between vy and ve

[5000gt]

So the short of it is that i want to try and adapt a kit designed for the vy to fit my ve..... why? i have my reasons...

So anyhow, I know the centre hole, disc bolts, and disc heights are different....

My main question is, ignoring the centre hole and disc bolt issues, if both caliper and discs are swapped from one to the other, will they line up in terms of offset???

Cheers

[Dr HaxZaw]

i doubt it would work mainly cause of abs and stability and control... sounds like a really dumb idea to me cause the brakes are what stop you so why try and do a bodge job on them

[ParkwayDrv]

What are your reasons for this? -.-

[5000gt]

i doubt it would work mainly cause of abs and stability and control... sounds like a really dumb idea to me cause the brakes are what stop you so why try and do a bodge job on them

I'm sorry, what makes you think fitting aftermarket big brakes is "bodge" in any way? ABS and stability control shouldn't be affected as i won't be touching the wheel speed sensors or the abs actuator.....

Reason i'm looking into this is because i have a nice set of calipers.... there are kits to fit it to vy's etc, but not for the ve...... I could machine up brackets etc but that would cost more and take more time than using something off the shelf if it works....

[Sabbath']

Sell off your setup for a VY, and with the money you get for it, plus any money you would have spent machining up brackets, get a proper VE brake upgrade kit. Stop trying to reverse engineer stuff.

[shane_3800]

i think from memory it should bolt up

but i would sell the calipers and buy a ve kit from pbr


and for abs it will not be affected

[5000gt]

not a fan of the pbr stuff.... if i was to buy a kit, it would have to be a brembo or hsv ap kit.....

If i used the calipers i have, it would cost so much less than said kits... but yeah... probably should just chuck my wilwoods on ebay.

got a pair of 6 piston calipers and 4 piston calipers to suit up to 355mm rotors. The 4 piston calipers have dust boots so should be easy to engineer (main issue with wilwoods is that most dont have dust boots)...

Was going to use it on my VE ss ute cause it would have been cheap and i only want to stop a little better from speed (not impressed with stock)...

[shane_3800]

uummmmm pbr makes the oe gear for holden ford toyota

they are owend by bosch the biggest brake company in the world and pbr and bosch are of the highest quality

[one_and_only2004]

Get yourself some better brake pads - that'll fix your stopping problems

[5000gt]

uummmmm pbr makes the oe gear for holden ford toyota

they are owend by bosch the biggest brake company in the world and pbr and bosch are of the highest quality

yep, the oem 2/1 setups... not a fan

[ParkwayDrv]

Your first post didnt mention They were 6pot brakes

[GEN3RATD]

Whats wrong with PBR? there stuff looks quality, ill be getting a kit for my car

[Dr HaxZaw]

So your just going to get a bracket made up for some six pot calipers so you stop quicker... please keep a camera pointed at your face everywhere you drive so that when you go to stop really quick and your bracket fails we can all make some funny internet spam picture

just sell your stuff and get a kit for the ve... if there isnt a kit your happy with save your money and wait

(shesh and people reckon p platers have dumb ideas for mods)

[one_and_only2004]

So your just going to get a bracket made up for some six pot calipers so you stop quicker... please keep a camera pointed at your face everywhere you drive so that when you go to stop really quick and your bracket fails we can all make some funny internet spam picture



(shesh and people reckon p platers have dumb ideas for mods)

The VE 322mm brake upgrade kits (for VT-VZ) use nothing but a bracket and 4 bolts to hold the calipers on and relocate the mounting points. If done properly using the right materials there's nothing saying that it won't be any less stronger than the standard setup.

[Dr HaxZaw]

The VE 322mm brake upgrade kits (for VT-VZ) use nothing but a bracket and 4 bolts to hold the calipers on and relocate the mounting points. If done properly using the right materials there's nothing saying that it won't be any less stronger than the standard setup.

pretty sure they arent 6 pot calipers though... standards i can understand but theres gonna be a lot of stress there with a 6 pot caliper under hard braking

[one_and_only2004]

No, they aren't 6 pot calipers but the car most likely won't be slowing down from 350km/h to 0 in 10m - tyres are going to break traction and ABS will cut in removing all the stress anyway BEFORE you snap some 20mm thick steel brackets.

[Dr HaxZaw]

No, they aren't 6 pot calipers but the car most likely won't be slowing down from 350km/h to 0 in 10m - tyres are going to break traction and ABS will cut in removing all the stress anyway BEFORE you snap some 20mm thick steel brackets.

you forgot the bolts... that and the kits have been engineered not drawn up at home

[aaronevolution]

Adjust your driving style and you won't have any problems. Simple.

[one_and_only2004]

you forgot the bolts... that and the kits have been engineered not drawn up at home

The bolts - being the same strength as the ones already on the car. Going on that idea I should be using the handbrake in my ute all the time instead of the normal brakes as the stock bolts may snap at any time.

[5000gt]

Geez..... a lot of stupid suggestions and opinions... not what i was after....

Seeing as the ve and vt calipers can bolt into either cars, I will be buying a kit and modifying it to suit my ute. This will only require The rotor hat to be modified by machining a centering ring and drilling out the stud holes. Other possible requirement might be to adjust caliper offset.... easy!!!!

All bolts and such come in the kit.... all high tensile...

Dr HaxZaw, even if i made my own kit, it'd probably be stronger yet again than the off the shelf kits. I've run a workshop and been customising cars for 15 odd years... including customising brake setups.... none of which have ever failed. I normally don't go out and start handing out wads of cash when i wan't something... even if it is easier...

[Dr HaxZaw]

The bolts - being the same strength as the ones already on the car. Going on that idea I should be using the handbrake in my ute all the time instead of the normal brakes as the stock bolts may snap at any time.

You've got the same size bolts except now they are longer and having to take more force due to the larger calipers and so forth... if your running bolts through a caliper and then a 20mm bracket and then into the backing plate your gonna have a lot of different issues. Sure the bolt strength is the same strength as factory but its taking more load so i wouldnt go assuming it going to work

To me there are too many issues to do a home made job of it

[Dr HaxZaw]

, even if i made my own kit, it'd probably be stronger yet again than the off the shelf kits. I've run a workshop and been customising cars for 15 odd years... including customising brake setups.... none of which have ever failed. I normally don't go out and start handing out wads of cash when i wan't something... even if it is easier...

Sorry about that. Thought you may have been just going to get a mate to make something up for you. If youve got the experience and the knowledge then fair enough.

I still dont think its that good of an idea though

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Some decent rotors and pads will get you stopping a whole lot better than the stock set up.

[5000gt]

You've got the same size bolts except now they are longer and having to take more force due to the larger calipers and so forth... if your running bolts through a caliper and then a 20mm bracket and then into the backing plate your gonna have a lot of different issues. Sure the bolt strength is the same strength as factory but its taking more load so i wouldnt go assuming it going to work

To me there are too many issues to do a home made job of it

I think you have no idea..... Firstly, the load on the bolts are sideways... and sheering loads on these bolts will never be an issue... Secondly, non of this extended bolt BS applies to me as I'm using radial mounted calipers...... it's not like i got calipers from one car and am trying to fit them to another! These calipers are full aftermarket and they have kits with different brackets etc to fit to a whole range of different cars...

[5000gt]

Some decent rotors and pads will get you stopping a whole lot better than the stock set up.

I'm sure they would... but like i said earlier, i just want better. Plus i have these calipers sitting on a shelf doing nothing.