New P plate rules VIC
In july 2007 they made some new P plate rules, one of this is not being able to drive a car with an engine that has been modified to increase its performance.
So when it comes to things like cai, extractors, and exhaust, would these be banned or not??
COOKIE, 1995 VS exec: 2.5" cat exhaust, CAI, K&N fillter
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Yeah all that basic stuff, BANNED
Stupid if u ask me....
Cant mod a slow car... while other cars that are still legal could be quicker than
God thats ****, Just do stuff like roller rockers, cams, increase compression, port and polish etc...
Cops wont be able to tell...
that realy is ####, i have a 2.5 inch exhaust on my car (no extracters) and a cai, but i think that comes standerd on a VS doesn't it?? the cai that is.
COOKIE, 1995 VS exec: 2.5" cat exhaust, CAI, K&N fillter
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You can most likely get away with the more expensive mods, like diff gears, LSD, transmission mods, head porting, good tune etc. Just make your car a good sleeper so nobody is the wiserAlso invest in some really good tyres and FE2 springs if you want an increase in handing. It's amazing what good tyres can do.
To be completely honest, I don't think you'll get barred over a cold air intake. Just act innocent, say "I don't know" and pretend it came with the car.
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I agree, i think its more to give cops power to fine/impound a car if the driver is being a dick or whatever.Originally Posted by Morton
If you were driving a completely stock car with an exhaust and CAI, 99% of cops would consider this fine.
However if it was 2am and they had seen you speeding (but didnt get you on radar) then they'd get you for it.... If that makes sense.
Yer that does and i guss i have been driving around with it for the last 9 months with out any trouble.
thanks guys
COOKIE, 1995 VS exec: 2.5" cat exhaust, CAI, K&N fillter
More the point, if you claim you bought the car like that and act like you have little car knowledge to have known its modded, what are you to do? Just dont drive like an asshat and the cops wont care, my friend is driving in a modded commodore which he shouldnt be but because he doesnt make it obvious its been fine so far.
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My calais is a little louder than factory, its got 2.5inch catback, high ratio roller rockers, and a few other bits a pieces such as CAI and chip. I dont drive like a dick head so i dont get pulled over. Simple.
Id suggest the 5-0 may keep an eye on you though if its a nice clean Calais, especially if you are on your Ps.
Rick =]
random question, so is suspension counted aswell? insurance count it as a "performance" mod, but its more for handling (if not to low)
i got my p's before then so its not my problem, but just asking for a mate
Tells it like it is.
Yep.
ROFL.... just because the "Cops wont be able to tell...." doesn't mean it's not illegal. Chances are you can be pulled over 1000 times and nobody will pick it, right up to the day you run into the back of another car and the insurance co want an excuse not to pay out.
"We regret to inform you that as you were not licensed to operate that vehicle your insurance is deemed null and void".
Furthermore, why spend a small fortune on stuff like rockers, cams, heads, compression etc etc etc when at best the power gains will be minimal as you won't be able to get the airflow either into or out of the engine?
Surely the best answer would be to concentrate on gaining road experience rather than looking for any loophole to get around the law???
According to the deputy commissioner for roads/traffic that was on the radio when this legislation became effective, "performance" modifications were deemed to be those that delivered greater hp/torque and thus suspension upgrades (that still complied with the relevant state legislation & ADR's) were ok. Check out the VicRoads website for full details.
Reaper
Ecotech Power
As far as i know, yes. I wanted to do disc brake rear end, i asked when doing the rego on my car at vic roads and police station, and they both said NO its a modification that will increase the cars performance. I personelly think modifications like that are for safety, and thats why i want to do it, the VK pulls up like a dog.random question, so is suspension counted aswell? insurance count it as a "performance" mod, but its more for handling (if not to low)
i got my p's before then so its not my problem, but just asking for a mate
Same goes with replacing my worn 24 year old suspension with knew whiteline gear, its seen as a performance modgood excuse when i snap a ball joint or shock and kill a heap of innocent people, sorry the laws says if i fix it with good parts im not allowed to drive my car. WTF STEVE BRACKS, WTF JOHN BRUMBY FOR NOT PULLING IT!!!
Well you assume if you have an accident that the insurance company will check the car.
Honestly here is a VERY good peice of advice... If your ever in an accident and the police/insurance company ask you what happened simply say "You sneezed".
Honestly dont laugh, sneezing is an involentray action. They cant prove that you didnt sneeze and no judge/cop would be able to charge you for reckless driving. The insurance wont be able to say "Oh, you had too much power and that caused the accident". By sneezing you are ENTIRELY at fault, but its not personally your fault.
So yeah, as long as you say you (as in the person) was at fault they wont check the car.
The biggest issue i have with these road rules, is you can drive a stock MR2 which is just under the power to weight ratio and be legal. Meanwhile your not allowed to drive a commodore with an air filter...
Even if you put a modded commodore with 124kw/ton up against a MR2 with 124kw/ton the MR2 would destroy you in terms of speed.... The flywheel rating is stupid, it should be based on rwkw.
Some very good advice there.
Tells it like it is.
You seem to be clutching at straws.
Oh? Are you sure about that? I have been in front of a magistrate for careless driving after that very thing happened. The magistrate sympathised but found the charge proven, gave me a fine but didn't record a conviction.Honestly here is a VERY good peice of advice... If your ever in an accident and the police/insurance company ask you what happened simply say "You sneezed".
Honestly dont laugh, sneezing is an involentray action. They cant prove that you didnt sneeze and no judge/cop would be able to charge you for reckless driving. The insurance wont be able to say "Oh, you had too much power and that caused the accident". By sneezing you are ENTIRELY at fault, but its not personally your fault.
Do you have any straws left?
I think you are living in dreamland.So yeah, as long as you say you (as in the person) was at fault they wont check the car.
Reaper
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its gotta suck to live in vic or other states atm, every shud move to S.A lol u can do woteva u want here, im 18 and drivin a vx calais 5.7L gotta love that :P sorry just had to say it
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I have had a few accidents now and only when the car was deemed a write off (VL) did the insurance come and inspect the vehicle. All other times its just been get a quote from 2 crash repairers, send the quotes in and they get it fixed.
Also, my VL that was written off was illegally low and I had a 4" PVC pipe hanging under the front bumper as a cold air intake that fed into the airbox... Where I had cut through the metal under the air box which is also quite illegal. But I had no issues because all he did was assess the vehicles value. Nothing more. With internal engine modifications I fail to see how an insurance assessor is going to know. Obvious things like an exhaust, extractors, forced induction, OTRCAI etc. will likely be seen and it is then up to the assessors discression, but internal modifications are likely to go unnoticed.
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i don't know how P platers can afford to spend up on stuff like roller rockers, to get that 5hp increase no one will ever notice. i have a job that pays a fair bit more than i was getting while on my Ps and i'm pumping it all into my mortgage.
Its a hobby... Ive put basically ever dollar ive earned in the last 8 months into my car...
Probably not worth it in the long run. Although i fail to see the point saving every dollar now... considering how much more i can save further on down the track. Kinda a case of "Live now", save later.
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so let me get this str8.
you know there is a law that says if you increase the power of your car it is illegal. then, you ask if adding things to your car that will give it more power will make it illegal.
FAIL!
no longer a hoon by association - the commodore is gone
Tells it like it is.
Believe me - no-matter what you earn, bills seem to turn up and take it away. Get into the habit of saving now and you will be streets ahead when "later" arrives.
Reaper
Ive got 6 months left till i finish my qualification, ill then earn more in 3 months than i currently earn in a year.
Look i do think the laws are a good thing, their put in place to protect young inexperienced drivers from themselves.
I like the idea of no V8s, forced induction etc. I just think its a little silly to ban simple engine upgrades.
Do you think a P plater is safe with 100kws, but adding a CAI to make it 102kws means instant death?
You could do a whole bunch of engine upgrades (Excluding FI) and i dont think its going to make the car any more dangerous.
If you want to save lives, how about proper driver education before getting a licence? How about we take the money raised from speed cameras, fines etc and use it to put all young drivers through a defensive driving course?
I could easily kill myself in a 1980 Ford laser with a total of 40kw. Power doesnt cause death... It may contribute towards it but the power itself is not to blame. Its the driver, always the driver.
Fight the cause of the problem, not the contributing factor.
Tells it like it is.
This isn't too far different to the power debate. Learn good habits when you are on a limited income and it will pay dividends many times over when you are on good money.
There is no arguing that young drivers are very over-represented in the crash statistics. You can argue the point as much as you like but thems the facts. Looking at the other point of view - how many people are going to be killed or seriously injured because you aren't allowed to put some extractors or a cold air box on your commodore?Look i do think the laws are a good thing, their put in place to protect young inexperienced drivers from themselves.
I like the idea of no V8s, forced induction etc. I just think its a little silly to ban simple engine upgrades.
Do you think a P plater is safe with 100kws, but adding a CAI to make it 102kws means instant death?
You could do a whole bunch of engine upgrades (Excluding FI) and i dont think its going to make the car any more dangerous.
If you want to save lives, how about proper driver education before getting a licence? How about we take the money raised from speed cameras, fines etc and use it to put all young drivers through a defensive driving course?
I could easily kill myself in a 1980 Ford laser with a total of 40kw. Power doesnt cause death... It may contribute towards it but the power itself is not to blame. Its the driver, always the driver.
Fight the cause of the problem, not the contributing factor.
Reaper
Freedom of choice... I mean how many deaths do you honestly think will be caused by HAVING extractors? Very very little.
We let people smoke yet that DOES kill people. We let people drink, and that also kills people. Yet we dont let young drivers make minor modifications because they might one day cause a death.
Now i know its a blanket rule for all cars, and in this situation it might not make as much difference... but i just think its a little crazy to ban these modifications. Its politicians overreacting so its looks as though their doing something to curve car related deaths.
Again, if your worried about power why dont they change the rule from flywheel power to rw/fw kw. Thats going to make more difference...
"Hey Timmy, dont spend $60 on a CAI to increase your power by ~2%. Go spend that money on a pack of smokes"
Lets face it, most younger people spend money on either cars, smokes, booze or drugs. Of the 4 i think cars are probably the safest, especially considering the mods we are talking about.
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