What Goes Harder, VL 5spd or a VN 5spd?

[social]

Very intruged to find this out, i know alot of my mates love their vl's but are they AS or MORE or LESS powerful than the v6 3.8L VNs?

[88GreenVN]

VN 3.8 for the win

[vnv8driver]

RB30 in the vl commodore, the power & torque curve is higher in the vn v6, the only thing the vl has going for it is overhead cam, smoother running motor (especially these days) & the 3.45 ratio rear end (which is the only thing that allows it to go hard).


Acceleration off the mark and up to 100 the vn definately wins, but 100 onwards the vl will match the vn v6

[social]

ooohh interesting..sounds like il just stick to the vn v6 =P cmon seriously who apsses 100km/h in a street drag ...unles ur asking for it...lol

[HARVZ-6]

ill pick a vl with an rb30 over a vn basicaly because i used to kick vn manuals without a problem

[Haydz]

Hmm il go the vn.. buick LN3 FTW...


yeah i reckon you cant go past them.. can buy a whole engine for the price of a BMW Mirror lol..


For what they are they go well with hardly any drama's and just keep ticking over the Kays..

[HOLDEN4life]

well your original question is a RB20 (Some NZ model vls only) vs a VN v6, i would probley say the VN as the 2 litre is a heap of crap stock, but if your talking bout a standered VL (RB30) i would go for the vl hands down (just from experience for some reason alot of VNs tend to lose alot of power over time)

[FAT.36L]

go the vl's

[maxpower QLD]

IF it's a 2ltr i'd say the VN would smoke it , but if the VL is a 3ltr then i'd say they would be pretty even . As for the 2ltr if you dropped the air presure in the tires on the VN to around 10 PSI each then the 2ltr MIGHT stand a chance . lol

[5ivespeed]

who the hell said vl? vns go so hard for some reason

[jatsvl]

well in this comparison, rb20 versus v6 both stock = v6 pretty easily.
not many rb20's (new zealand vl ) in australia that aren't turbo,
in the other comparison rb30 versus v6 both stock = I'm leaning towards vl but not by much.

[vnv8driver]

auto vn versus vl manual the vl will win but the auto (3 speed) version of the vl RB30 has no chance whatsoever if its n/a


If it is the RB20-25 thats been mentioned it has 4 valves percylinder, twin cam, etc?wouldnt think they would be all that bad?

[stocky]

car 0-100 400m
vl 6 auto 11.1s 17.8s
vl 6 man 9.2s 16.7s
vl v8 3sp 9.5s 16.9s

vn v6 auto 8.2s 15.8s
vn v6 man 7.7s 15.7s

vl 6 autos are 4 speed

VN FTW

[vnv8driver]

well that explains it all, and i never knew they had overdrive? something i should know since i owned one for a month or 2....

[1991_Vn2nV]

lol anyone thats owned both would know the difference. VL's are bloody slow in auto form, manual they're alright but still won't get near a VN V6.

[stockies]

My manual VL goes pretty hard. Mates auto VL has never stood a chance. But my Auto VN V6 out does the VL in every way. And my VL has no chance agaisnt another mates VP manual.

[HOLDEN4life]

car 0-100 400m
vl 6 auto 11.1s 17.8s
vl 6 man 9.2s 16.7s
vl v8 3sp 9.5s 16.9s

vn v6 auto 8.2s 15.8s
vn v6 man 7.7s 15.7s

vl 6 autos are 4 speed

VN FTW

Dont forget these cars loose ALOT of power over the past 20 years, the real test would be if stock v stock would be the same today,

[stocky]

Dont forget these cars loose ALOT of power over the past 20 years, the real test would be if stock v stock would be the same today,

dont forget the VL is older than a VN

[greenfoam]

I see both these cars at the drags all the time, The VN's are ALLWAYS that is 100% of the cases faster. But a VL manual is not much slower than a VN auto (about 2 tenths slower over the 1/8th if it's got a bit of spark advance in it), VL Auto, forget it they are one of the slowest cars you will ever see at the drags, but all things working correctly it is imposible for any stock NA VL to beat any stock VN

All times are comparing the RB30 version ^ RB20 NA well it's gota be just slower

[Bax]

dont forget the VL is older than a VN

Don't forget the rb30 was years ahead of its time.

VN wins though either way, VL manual vs VN auto. VL wins.
VN manual vs VL manual. VN wins.

The v6 isn't a great motor as far as I'm concerned. But it definitely has some go to it.

[stocky]

VN wins though either way, VL manual vs VN auto. VL wins.
VN manual vs VL manual. VN wins.

what you mean? you said vn wins both times, but then you say vl wins.

and years ahead of its time doesnt really matter. the components will still wear out at the same rate

[Bax]

what you mean? you said vn wins both times, but then you say vl wins.

and years ahead of its time doesnt really matter. the components will still wear out at the same rate

In which case we can go into which engine is better maintained and what not.

I'm saying that the VN will win in all cases except for VL Manual VS VN Auto.

[1991_Vn2nV]

VN auto will still beat VL manual with reasonable ease..

The VL just lacked the power and torque... which is odd when the engine was so "ahead of its time". I would enjoy someone explaining that to me.

Its almost a difference of 50NM of torque, and the VN's torque map is far better and wider than that of the VL's.

The VN makes more torque at just above idle (1200rpm) than the VL does ANYWHERE in its rev range.

[Bax]

Amazing what an extra litre will do isn't it?

And if you don't know how the rb30 and its gearbox were ahead of its time I suggest you do some research.

[stocky]

In which case we can go into which engine is better maintained and what not.

I'm saying that the VN will win in all cases except for VL Manual VS VN Auto.

but you havent given any proof. we have already given proper condition test times, and also statements from owners, that prove you wrong. if youre going to compared a better maintained VL engine, to a flogged VN engine, then thats an unfair comparison. all of our arguments are assuming that both engines are of similar condition, and factory power. seems youre only sticking to this argument because youre a VL driver.

who cares how "ahead of its time" it was. its still slow and low on power, and only decent with a turbo, but then again, almost any engine goes better with a turbo. we only see so many rb30 turbos because theyre easier to setup.