Handling and Auto modifications legally on P2

[Slippy_Trippy]

Whilst on P2, what of the following would be considered a performance upgrade. I realise that technically they all performance upgrades in some way so no need to point that out.

-Lowering and suspension
-Front strut/bracing
-Auto stage 2 shift kit

The shift kit would possibly be pushing it but the other two are handling improvement etc. One could possibly argue the shift kit is to avoid excessive gearbox wear when changing

Appreciate your help.

-Slippy

[TVR-190]

lowering and suspension you could get away with. but in all honesty it comes down to an officers judgement.

If they see youve recently changed oil they can classify that as a performance enhancer.

shift kit is something they wouldnt notice.

they would only question things they can see, so if they pop the engine and theres a whopping big supercharger there they will notice, as long as its discreet and cannot be identified with a quick once over you should be o.k

I have a zaust and C.A.I with kn filter and have never got any police attention so you should be fine as long as you dont draw attention to yourself

[Philthy]

I believe the law says something about mods that increase the engines horsepower, so suspension and gearbox mods you could get away with.
I questioned a couple cops about my intake/exhaust/tune and they all said that they are technically illegal but they wouldn't bother putting it back to standard and if I get done for it then its probably because I was being a smartarse or doing something else wrong

[fergie_vs]

im on p1 and got pulled up the other night, not sure of law difference between p1 and p2 but he said it was illegal for me to have lowered and put exhaust on however he didnt deffect me or anything just said try and get it back to stock gear. as i said though im sure its different for p2 again and as someone else quoted i think it all comes down to the officer that you get

[HamaTime™]

im on p1 and got pulled up the other night, not sure of law difference between p1 and p2 but he said it was illegal for me to have lowered and put exhaust on however he didnt deffect me or anything just said try and get it back to stock gear. as i said though im sure its different for p2 again and as someone else quoted i think it all comes down to the officer that you get

There is no difference for modifications for P1 - P2. The only difference between the two is that P1's aren't allowed to carry more than 1 peer passenger (16-21year olds).

P platers are allowed to have unlimited modifications. As long as they don't enhance the engines power. I.e. no direct mods onto the engine 'performancing enhancing modifications'.

That is the precise meaning of the statute/law on P platers. Now what that entails comes down to the officer you get, some will claim pretty much anything, some cops will say the rims are performance enhancing. (believe me I have seen and heard it happen)

[nathan549]

There is no difference for modifications for P1 - P2. The only difference between the two is that P1's aren't allowed to carry more than 1 peer passenger (16-21year olds).

after 11 pm, just thought id clear that up

[TMM]

As above, you can only get done for suspension if it's illegal for anyone to drive (too low/unroadworthy).

[HamaTime™]

after 11 pm, just thought id clear that up

Yeah, where did you find that garbage from. It's 24 hours a day for 12 months mate. No time limits, I got done for it at 7pm on a sunday night coming home from Church.

[VN_chris]

Yeah, where did you find that garbage from. It's 24 hours a day for 12 months mate. No time limits, I got done for it at 7pm on a sunday night coming home from Church.

Then contest it. I got pulled up by un detetives who saw me run a red light at 10:30pm while i had a full car and they told me to go drop off the other boys and to quit acting the fool, no fine nothing.

[Slippy_Trippy]

Then consider yourself incredibly lucky you only got a warning for those two.

In VIC at least, P1 drivers can't carry more than one passenger 16-21 (I think age is right) at anytime.

Thanks for the replys

[Changa]

Rofl, yeah in queensland on P1 you cant carry more than one person under the age of 21 between the hours of 11pm and 5pm. But you can carry any amount of family members, ie. brother, sister, mum, dad. On P2 in QLD that gets taken away. Thats the way it is in QLD anyway, but cops are so slack up here you would probably never get done anyways. I think I have been driving for about 2.5 years, 2 breatho's, and one those was when schoolies week was on and we were travelling back home through brissy and the other was on new years day. So on both occasions police would be pulling over anyone with P plates lol. But then again I drive a pretty much stock VS only got an cat back exhaust, CAI ad delcowizzid tune. Although on both occasions I only had the CAI and they didnt ask to look under the bonnet.

[HamaTime™]

Then contest it. I got pulled up by un detetives who saw me run a red light at 10:30pm while i had a full car and they told me to go drop off the other boys and to quit acting the fool, no fine nothing.

4 letters to the Civic Compliance/Traffic Camera office - 1 private letter, and a number of police officers trying to persuade them to cancel it on my behalf didn't work. It's part of a statutory law, or something like that (that's what I was told) so you can't get it off under any circumstances. Your lucky you got off, it's happened to my mates as well. All comes down to the police officer you get on the day.

Rofl, yeah in queensland on P1 you cant carry more than one person under the age of 21 between the hours of 11pm and 5pm. But you can carry any amount of family members, ie. brother, sister, mum, dad. On P2 in QLD that gets taken away.

Same here in Vic.

[Slippy_Trippy]

Really, I was fairly sure it was all times. Unless the red P platers I know are stupid and didn't revise their restrictions properly. I wouldn't put it past them.

-Slippy

[Philthy]

The red p-platers I know think its all times as well. Unless they just want an excuse not to drive us everywhere

[nathan549]

Yeah, where did you find that garbage from. It's 24 hours a day for 12 months mate. No time limits, I got done for it at 7pm on a sunday night coming home from Church.

i dono what the hell that is, but its after 11. as if they can stop you from having ppl in the car during the day. i think its 11pm to like 5pm. its to stop p platers being stupid and killing 3+ ppl in there car at night where most of the crashes happen. im a p plater myself had 3 ppl in my car it was 5 to 11 cop pulled up behind me put his lights on, i got scared shitless then he did a u turn and chased some guy

maybe that rule isnt here in NSW. but yeh shouldnt be all the time thats just stupid

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...200707_p1.html
scroll down to the bottom

[Slippy_Trippy]

11pm - 5pm??? 5AM possibly?

Conspiracy! Pesky P1 drivers not driving us around.

Meh, rahter drive myself most times

[SV62NV]

i was told they are trying to enforce the NSW rules in Vic also. I'm talking 80km for learners, 90km for reds, 100km for greens (if thats correct in nsw).

And not just for people who get their licence after a certain time, on EVERYONE who currently is on p plates or leaners, but when you think about it (im on green p's so thats 100km), there is only one road that i know of which doesnt last long that lets you travel faster than 100km, other than that the fastest is 100km so yea wouldnt worry me

[nathan549]

i was told they are trying to enforce the NSW rules in Vic also. I'm talking 80km for learners, 90km for reds, 100km for greens (if thats correct in nsw).

And not just for people who get their licence after a certain time, on EVERYONE who currently is on p plates or leaners, but when you think about it (im on green p's so thats 100km), there is only one road that i know of which doesnt last long that lets you travel faster than 100km, other than that the fastest is 100km so yea wouldnt worry me

yes thats correct for nsw. what are the speed restrictions in vic?? having speed restrictions is a good thing for p platers (cause of the hoons) but some ppl forget that its 90km if the speed sign says 90 or over not in a 40 zone

[TVR-190]

yes thats correct for nsw. what are the speed restrictions in vic?? having speed restrictions is a good thing for p platers (cause of the hoons) but some ppl forget that its 90km if the speed sign says 90 or over not in a 40 zone

those limits dont make a difference to the people who speed anyway. the p platers who want to speed wont worry if they have a 90 limit or not

[Slippy_Trippy]

Yah, further limiting the speed is pointless IMO since people don't generally follow the initial speed limit anyway.

I can see a lot of frustrated drivers on the Calder (110kph after Diggers Rest outbound) being stuck behind plated drivers too.

[nathan549]

those limits dont make a difference to the people who speed anyway. the p platers who want to speed wont worry if they have a 90 limit or not

yeh thats true, if the ristrictions go down then thats ganna be fcuked

[TVR-190]

its was bad here on ls and p1 where we have a few 110 zones. i remember on a JC cruise i was on stuck at 90 getting overtaken by every car on the road at 120

[Stressball]

Here is the most important sentence segment on the restrictions page:

an engine that has been modified to increase its performance

It specifies engine mods, not drivetrain mods, nor suspension, nor structural.

1) Suspension is not an engine mod. Go for it, within legal limits (100mm from ground? And it has to retain 2/3 suspension travel)

2) Up to the officer's discretion. It is for performance but it is not an engine mod. If you're an asshole though he will probably still fine you for it.

3) Since it specifies engine modifications, this isn't technically illegal... But hey, does it matter? How are they gonna tell?

Just don't draw attention to yourself. Whatever you choose to do to your car, make it subtle. Don't be surprised if you lower your car so it drags it ass and you get pinned for it.

[Slippy_Trippy]

Not my cuppa tea to go that low. Looking Fe2 Equiv.

Cheers for your help.

[yeeeezy]

lol this is why i love SA atm cause P platers can drive what ever they want and doesnt matter if its V8 or anything