SILVERFOX
Why lower?
Ok I have been a holden enthusiast now for many years, more than twenty. I don't see what all the fuss is about for the need to lower the Commodores, no matter which model. Newer cars, other than 4x4's are already heaps lower than the older ones right from factory, ie I could wriggle my way under my HT's and HK's etc with little effort, and I can't do that with the VY unless I jack it up slightly.
IMO the handling doesn't improve greatly when lowered, the word is they look better but personally I disagree, not to mention the hassles you guys have when exiting servo's or any other driveway that has a slight dip; take it on an angle and all that crap. And last but not least we don't (or aren't supposed to) drive at speeds where the lowering will have beneficial results regarding handling anyway. In my PERSONAL opinion they look better at factory height with a set of nice fats all round.
I don't wish to condemn you guys that do lower and if that's your trip then good luck but am I missing something here? Also a lot of VT's particularly look LOL with their back tyres at near thirty degree angles some even with camber kits.
'Ah well, I suppose it had to come to this.'
IMO looks alot better, and can also handle much better if done correctly.
If noone lowered their car, they would all look the same. Like every modification, people do it to suit their tastes or requirements, or to just stand out from the rest of the crowd.
And whats wrong with a dumper car with fats
It just the fashion these days, everyone knows it's more trouble than it's worth and I agree that a very low (family sedan) never looks good. I'm sure most of the guys will change their mind on the ultra low springs one day. Maybe the day they try to accelerate fast with low and hard springs
SILVERFOX
Yeah well I reckon that nearly all young blokes commodores have been lowered, just like they nearly all had spoilers on the boot but now it seems that spoilers aren't flavour of the month quite so much any more. And as a result are opting to get rid of them.
'Ah well, I suppose it had to come to this.'
SILVERFOX
Maybe I'm just an old fart!!! (34)
'Ah well, I suppose it had to come to this.'
Well when you are young you haven't learned enough to be very different from other people of the same age so lowering you car makes you different, so does random piercings on your face or pink hair :P. Once you get older you don't feel those same kind of things. Once everyone is running on Ultralows then stock springs will be the fashion
Well foamy, I'm not going to argue with you incase I ever want to hit you up for a tune hahahahah
But yeah, I can agree, fads come and die. Just like we noticed in the fads thread which seems to not be active anymore. People get inspiration from anothers car, so they do the same to their own car. I can;t see anything wrong with it.
VYMAD, I understand what your saying. Some people just put in the crappiest/cheapest/lowest springs possible for looks but with no regard to handling. I personally think a car lowered where the guards are lower than the rim look ridiculous. But if done properly with some thought it can handle and look very nice.
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Don't be stupid. Power isn't measured by the size of your tacho
lowering your car is like wearing stiletto's some like it some don't i for one do not.
some will say it feels better and some will say it looks better most will say it handles better but then there's the minority that say and think it looks good and feels better to where stiletto's or have your car at standard height or above.
Originally Posted by coplzr
At the end of the day its not about the money its about how you want it and were u wanna stop, i mean i could have just tinted windows put kit and chrome wheels on the car and lowered it and started a thread if thats what you all wanted but i love cars i love the feeling u get when ppl say mate u done a great job on this thing now that feeling is the very exact reason ill do it again on another car i enjoy any part i can play in the build and i def enjoy driving it
No point in arguing, you wont even seen anyone near or over the age of 30 driving a very low car, that pretty much ends the argument before it started
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Game, set and match.No point in arguing, you wont even seen anyone near or over the age of 30 driving a very low car, that pretty much ends the argument before it started
I'm going on the assumption he meant mental age
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SILVERFOX
He HE he, well I think I'll JUST STICK TO MY STOCKIES! Of course some lowered look better than others, but yeah lower at front would be a must!
'Ah well, I suppose it had to come to this.'
Ecotech Power
Im young and went in the opposite direction, Raised springs FTW!!
Id prefer my car to be practicle then look good.
As far as handles better, where I live my car handles better with ground clearance, if I was to lower it my handling would be up shit creek as I would be hitting every pot hole, scrub or tree root on the road/track.
Alex Short
Haha yeah my 1996 VS V6 commodore is a country pack, hence higher than normal springs. And they rock I can hit speedbumps tonnes faster than a lowered car. The lowest needed is the stock sports suspension in the sport model commodores, called FE2? Not sure on the name of them.
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I'm going to be different with my VH and keep at the stock height. To todays standards its as high as one of those small 4WD cars, but no more scraping for me!
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I think lowering for the sake of lowering (looks) is dumb. I just laugh every time i see a car that has to drive over speedbumps on an angle.
For the record i'm 19 and if i ever change my springs/shocks, it would only be to FE2 height and i'd be doing it for the spring rate not the ride height. Not needing a jack to work on the car = win.
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Haha i drive over speed bumps on an angle. Usually it's not a problem if i go straight over though, but i can't go up peoples drive ways, you should what they are like in the Blue mountains, you almost need a 4WD to get up them.
ive got the FE2 springs in my vt II s pack, and i think thats a perfect height. what about lowering the front and raising the back, hot rod style
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nice big rims tuckn the guards looks mint on the right car
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The cars that have ultra lows all round or air bags, are more show. The ones that go super lows are after the look with the handling. I ask anyone to compare cars lowered and not lowered handling wise. It's simple, body roll is bad, and they are soft as melted butter. And they can even - under high speeds bottom out, and i say your more likely to scrap your rear or front with standard height, because you are less careful. I see it all the time careless drivers.
Now lowered cars. More cautious of your surroundings, less likely to drive over speed humps 15kmph greater then the recommended speed.
As a guy that has driven one car from stock height to super low height. I will say it's stiffer and better around corners, i have scraped it under the engine on a gutter my fault. It skips slightly over large bumps and lets out a chirp, when not lowered never did. Plus side is better rear grip and less body roll. And to be honest it's not overly as low as i wanted it, that cheesed me a touch. But police never hassle me which is good.
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You can reduce body roll with sway bars, and you can also increase spring and shock rates without lowering the car.
Both/either of these done sensibly will increase the handling of the car dramatically, without changing the impact profile of the car - which affects crumple zone performance, airbag performance, pedestrian safety, etc.
Lowering is done pretty much exclusively for looks, with the handling argument used as a justification after the fact.
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Ecotech Power
Exactly
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Way I see it as more for show too, but when you want your car to sit at the same height when you fit 19's to ya VN then a pretty much gotta lower it to even sit where it was with standards.
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