5 speed ecotec manual box

[VKCOMMO]

hey

whats the going price for a second hand ecotec 5 speed manual Gbox??

thanks

[_R_J_K_]

T5 or Getrag?

You should be able to use a T5 from an earlier model.

[VKCOMMO]

i dont have a damn clue, im umming and arring about doing an eco conversion and the donor is a auto and i have a love for manuals..

[Robbo VS3]

T5 or Getrag?

You should be able to use a T5 from an earlier model.

Whats the difference?
And i would think a manual would be the same price as an auto ecotec, why would it be more expensive?

[VKCOMMO]

the donor car im looking at is auto, the wreckers want about 800 for a manual so itll turn out cheaper to get this one..

[_R_J_K_]

Whats the difference?
And i would think a manual would be the same price as an auto ecotec, why would it be more expensive?

They are different gearboxes maybe? Pretty big difference.

Manuals are very saught after, so they attract a higher price.

T5 is a much cheaper conversion.

I'm sure you've seen this thread -
The complete Vn-Vr Manual Conversion Guide.

[VKCOMMO]

thats VN-VR, ecotec is VS

but thanks

[sweefu]

i think he was refering to the box there mate, cus the vn-vr used the t5 box so did the s1 vs..

[VKCOMMO]

ahhh.. ok, thanks

[SweetWagon]

i think he was refering to the box there mate, cus the vn-vr used the t5 box so did the s1 vs..

correct.. a t5 manual setup from vn s2 onwards will work fine with the VS ecotec (vn s1 was only 6 bolt flywheel and will require 8 bolt to work on later models) . just means you will have cable operated clutch instead of hydraulic.

[Robbo VS3]

Is the T5 or Getrag better guys? By reading what you guys have written, mine must be getrag as it is a S3 VS

[theSeekerr]

I believe that the getrag is technically a better box, but the stock shifter fitted to them was godawful - take a look around the site, you'll find some pics comparing it to the Billet shifter.

That said, I've never driven with a Billet shifter, so all I can say is that the T5 feels better stock.

[VKCOMMO]

i'd be putting a short shifter on it anyway, which is easier to put on??

[sweefu]

getrag is all round a harder box to work on than the t5, becuase of dual mass flywheel hydraulic clutch etc.

[Blown355cca]

Let me throw my 2 cents worth in, might be helpful might not......

I've been driving manual commies for awhile now, even converted a few for mates & I've been running the billet products short shifter for a couple of years as well.

Start with the easy one, what ever box you decide on put a shifter on it!!! It is by far one of the best things I've ever done & now have numerious mates using them based just on the performace see in my cars.

I belive the T5 is a better box, but that's because I've only used them in my cars. As for ease of use, the T5 & gertrag are about the same, but the T5 is a bit easier to remove by yourself as you can split the box from the bell housing while it's still in the car. You can use a solid fly wheel with either box.

If using a T5 I would deffently recommend using the V8 version over the V6 one as it is a bit stronger, the case is the same & will bolt up to either engine with the right bell housing. Again they are the same from VN-VS1 & I would highly recommend using a brand new fly wheel when doing the conversion, along with a brand new clutch set up (Might sound simple, but Ive seen people skip this step & pay for it later)

Guessing by the buy-in price I'm gonna assume that this is for a VS??? if this is the case, you will need the following items to carry out the conversion:
Gearbox & bell housing
Manual tail shaft
Gearbox mount
fly wheel
clutch kit
pedel box
cable/master & slave cylinder (depending on which way you go)
Manual computer (as the VS uses the computer to control full operation of the auto & will try and find the signal if not changed, there might be a patch for this but I'm not 100%)
The inhibitor switch will need to be by-passed
All other assc. mounting hardware.

I think I've remembered everything & I hope this will help you.

Keep us posted on your progress.

[_R_J_K_]

thats VN-VR, ecotec is VS

but thanks

Regardless. The process for conversion will still be the same. You will still need the same parts listed on that page.

If using a T5 I would deffently recommend using the V8 version over the V6 one as it is a bit stronger, the case is the same & will bolt up to either engine with the right bell housing. . Again they are the same from VN-VS1 & I would highly recommend using a brand new fly wheel when doing the conversion, along with a brand new clutch set up (Might sound simple, but Ive seen people skip this step & pay for it later)

The V8 and V6 boxes are not interchangable, as the 6 has a longer input shaft than the 8 - t5 gear box
Also, where do you get new T5 flywheels?

As mentioned, the T5 also has a machinable flywheel and a cable clutch setup, as opposed to the dual mass flywheel and hydraulic setup that the Getrag use. For these reasons, fixing things like clutches on the Getrags gets expensive.

[Blown355cca]

You can get a brand spanking new flywheels from the same companys I get them from for my race cars & I'm about to pick up a V6 manual VN for another car so I can race in 2 different classes, so I'll be chasing down a new clutch & flywheel set up fot that soon too. Exedy is one that comes to mind, I use textralia for my V8's & I also get my clutches off them too. You can also get solid replacement flywheels for the gertrag box in any model from VS - VY (not 100% on VZ - VE as I have not had to do a clutch on a 3.6ltr yet). A quick search of the REPCO parts lits shows a couple of different companys that manfacture flywheels for both boxes & I know there is others around on the net that do them as well. I say get a new fly wheel as I have see alot of them in both V6 & V8 crack around the crank bolt holes, if you want I can post up some photos of a car that was brought into my shop with a failed flywheel..........Makes a really big mess, in this case the vehicle was a total write off.....

Either box can be converted to hydraulic or cable from memory, again I've seen some companys on the net doing the conversion kit to go either way.