Would you buy a VYII or VZ for the same price ?

[greenacc]

Its time to replace the VS with either a VY series 2 or a VZ.
I have found a nice example of each, same colour, same price , same k's. The difference basically comes down to Ecotec or Alloytec. Which would you buy ?
I'm after Reliability, Economy, and long life.
Are the servicing costs much more for a VZ?

[VSHeaven]

The ecotech has a proven track record. The alloytech can suffer from the 3 timing chains needing replacement if it hasn't been serviced at the specified intervals, so this is something to look out for. also, I find the alloytech somewhat noisy compared to the ecototech. If i had your choice I would go the VY (plus it looks better in the front IMO).

[Adds_05]

i had the same choice 12 months ago and i went with the series 2 vy,i asked a few mechanics etc they all said go vy due to ecotec being around alot longer,cheaper to fix etc plus i liked vy's better anyway.
im not saying the vz is rubbish,far from it,just going on what i was told

[the_trademarc]

An Alloytec in good shape is probably my vote, although I may be a bit biased.
Is it Auto or Manual? The manual gearbox in the VZ is different to the VY one I believe, its a lot better. Plus its 6sp as opposed to 5sp for the VY S

[greenacc]

Both are auto's. Had a look at the VZ today and a drive, goes like a rocket which surprised me after some of the bagging i've read on here about the 175. The only BAD thing about it is it has next to no service history whatsoever!!! some story about how it always got serviced on another cars bill .... but the oil looked clean and no other problems i could see. Could there be much wrong with an Alloytech thats done less than 80 000K's ? Biggest question is what kind of nut case buys a brand new car and keeps no service records ? The warranty would be totally screwed..

[hsv_timo]

Yea sounds a bit shonky id go the VY 2 ecotec alot easier to work on and the proven

[Cobez]

Both are auto's. Had a look at the VZ today and a drive, goes like a rocket which surprised me after some of the bagging i've read on here about the 175. The only BAD thing about it is it has next to no service history whatsoever!!! some story about how it always got serviced on another cars bill .... but the oil looked clean and no other problems i could see. Could there be much wrong with an Alloytech thats done less than 80 000K's ? Biggest question is what kind of nut case buys a brand new car and keeps no service records ? The warranty would be totally screwed..

The oil may look clean because they could have serviced it and flushed it out a bit. That means nothing. I'd buy an older car with service history over a newer car without.

[VzVzVz]

Go for the VZ, the alloytec is bulletproof and It's better in technology, power, economy. My ute had 125000kms on it when I bought it, nothing bad to report yet. I drove it to Queensland and back and it was flawless. It gets about 12.00L/100kms in the city and 8L/100kms on the highway at 100kph. I could reccommend nothing else after having such a good engine.

[nemesis_adrasteia]

Go for the VZ, the alloytec is bulletproof and It's better in technology, power, economy. My ute had 125000kms on it when I bought it, nothing bad to report yet. I drove it to Queensland and back and it was flawless. It gets about 12.00L/100kms in the city and 8L/100kms on the highway at 100kph. I could reccommend nothing else after having such a good engine.

um? who told you that? theres some problems with those engines, such as the timing chains tend to **** themselves pretty quick.

[one_and_only2004]

VZ all the way. The Alloytec has proved itself to be quite a good little motor - besides the VZ looks a bit better.

[hsv_timo]

VZ all the way. The Alloytec has proved itself to be quite a good little motor - besides the VZ looks a bit better.

The only thing the Alloytec has proved is that it has a little more power and the timing chains dont hold on for to long

[berowra_vn]

VY for sure mate, as stated before, the Alloytech timing chains have some problems.

[Kal123]

VZ VZ VZ VZ VZ VZ VZ

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[the_trademarc]

I would still be weary of buying a car with no service history. You're asking for trouble by doing that.
Do an NRMA Vehicle Inspection before you buy any car, really, it will show up whether the car is in good nick for its whole life, or just since its been on sale.

[VN Lukey]

hi guys, im in the same situation atm, but either VX-VT supercharged V6 or VZ
are the VZ timing chains expensive to change?

[one_and_only2004]

The only thing the Alloytec has proved is that it has a little more power and the timing chains dont hold on for to long

Right... because the old shock-o-tec donk never fails either. I know of at least 20 people with VZ's where the biggest problem was the wiper blade changeover, Meanwhile i know others in Vt-vy's changing harmonic balancers, ignition modules various sensors and BCM's
I've got an ecotec and I'm happy to say that the alloytec is a better motor.

[WogBoyz]

Right... because the old shock-o-tec donk never fails either. I know of at least 20 people with VZ's where the biggest problem was the wiper blade changeover, Meanwhile i know others in Vt-vy's changing harmonic balancers, ignition modules various sensors and BCM's
I've got an ecotec and I'm happy to say that the alloytec is a better motor.

why must we pay out each engine, both engines have there goods and bads

[fuzzy2308]

vz ftw............

[nemesis_adrasteia]

Right... because the old shock-o-tec donk never fails either. I know of at least 20 people with VZ's where the biggest problem was the wiper blade changeover, Meanwhile i know others in Vt-vy's changing harmonic balancers, ignition modules various sensors and BCM's
I've got an ecotec and I'm happy to say that the alloytec is a better motor.

alloytecs seem to have more expensive problems the ecotecs are older and cheaper to fix/replace, proven reliability.

alloytecs need servicing more often than recommended despite what holden tell you 15000 ks without a service is not acceptable

[svsex]

holden says alot of things

[Astranomical]

Normally, I'd say VZ all the way....just, well...not that one. No matter what the story is, there's no way I'd buy a car that new without a service history. Either find another VZ, or go the VY.

[System]

i chose VZ

perfect service history, logbook and all.

newer car- better machined/tested parts, which means it will surely last MUCH longer then older types.

also it goes like a rocket stock as a rock .

sure timing chains may go IN TIME- but i'd rather just fix that, then the many other problems that would exist in an older model.

[VSHeaven]

System........keep a spare radiator cap handy for your VZ. You will need one. It's true what has been posted. Both engines have good and bad points. The VY has older tech and the usual issues, though most are more of an inconvenience to fix rather than expensive. VZ, stretched timing chains, thermostat assembly (and it's at the back of the engine) and a lot are doing water pumps. Good and bad in both.

[VYMAD]

I'd go vy for the fact that most of the probs were ironed out by series 2. Would never buy a series one of any model anyway.
What are peoples opinions on "full service history" when that has all been carried out by me? I keep all the relevent receipts, etc and fill my service book out. My services are done every 7,000 k's for oil and filters, plugs etc every 20,000. I know that they've all been done properly, the only thing I don't touch myself are brakes, new tyre changes, wheel alignments. Would you by my car that has been over serviced by me?

[me&myVZ]

Go the VZ! Newer, better re-sale value in the future, and many issues with the VY's were recognised when the VZ was made! I have a VZ and it's brillant! Make sure you do your research though as there are alot of VZ's and VY's out there that would have a good service history, and lower Km's.