Vz or Vy?

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Hey guys this is my first post..I am 17 and saving for my first car..i got about 10k and willing to save to about 15k? or so..

I have been looking at vz's and vy's and ive asked around some people say Vy's go harder and some people say Vz's are junkers. so iam just wondering what you guys opion is on The Vz compared to the Vy.

Thanks for the time.


(oh and do Ve gts rims fit on a vz and vy with out mods?)



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Oh yeh iam talking about the Sv6. lol

[STEALTHY™]

Can't comment on which is better, as i havn't owned either.


The wheels are sold already modified to fit Pre VE cars. Pretty sure wheel king sell them

[dags061]

Hey guys this is my first post..I am 17 and saving for my first car..i got about 10k and willing to save to about 15k? or so..

I have been looking at vz's and vy's and ive asked around some people say Vy's go harder and some people say Vz's are junkers. so iam just wondering what you guys opion is on The Vz compared to the Vy.

Thanks for the time.


(oh and do Ve gts rims fit on a vz and vy with out mods?)

i owned a vz police car and it left my vx for dead. vx and vy have the same motor.
i believe ve rims will fit.

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Ah thats mad all ready modded fo Vz DD. Thanks guys

[Majestic 36]

Ive always wondered what the differences are, would be interesting to find out.

[VY2SS]

they're exactly the same car apart from some minor changes. i purchased a vy because i hate the stupid smiley face the vz has and the cheaper looking tail lights, simple as that.

[STEALTHY™]

they're exactly the same car apart from some minor changes. i purchased a vy because i hate the stupid smiley face the vz has and the cheaper looking tail lights, simple as that.

A completely different motor is a minor change now?

[neet_wagon]

^^^ suprising isn't it. may be its because the alloytec is crap?

[svsex]

^^^ suprising isn't it. may be its because the alloytec is crap?

based on what? its on paper anycar stock with an allotec motor is faster, more fuel efficient, smoother and a more.

the only downside to the alloytec is modding cost can be quite high because its a newer engine then the old ecotec or buick motor, which has more down low torque but runs out of puff b4 a 3.6 alloytec which will spinn over 1000 more rpm.

[jimmyd17]

I haven't owned either a VY or VZ, but i've done a decent amount of driving in a VY, and also driven a VZ. I was quite dissapointed with the VZ alloytec. I was expecting it to be much better. In my opinion the alloytec in the VZ is a "downgrade" on the old ecotec VY. That might sound strange but let me explain.

The VY was much more responsive off the line, where as the VZ you need to rev the nuts off it to make it move. That wouldn't be such a downer if it sounded nice, but the alloytec sounds more like my mum's 30 year old sewing machine than a sweet revving V6. (eg: any toyota V6 of the last 20 years or even late 90's magna V6's are far superior to the alloytec IMO!).

The VZ alloytec has a fairly even torque spread. It makes close to its peak torque in a lot of the rev range which should be a good thing. But the feeling I got after stepping out of a VZ, this translates to - gutless everywhere.

I wouldn't say the old VY ecotec is a "superior motor" to the alloytec, because its really not. Its a bit of an old dunger really, but it does the job quite well and feels less gutless and more responsive than the alloytec. The downside of the ecotec is that its a pretty harsh motor at high revs. eg: it sounds like a conrod and pistion could come through the sump any second above of 5,000rpm, but if you don't thrash it then its not really a problem. But even still, the VZ alloytec isn't a smooth revving motor either. It is smoother than the ectotec, but still a harsh revving motor by todays standards.

So in conclusion, the VY gets my vote. It sounds better, is more responsive at low revs, uses about the same amount of fuel as the alloytec anyway, and isn't any slower. Just better to drive really lol. I may be slightly biased because I had a VS ecotec for a couple of years which was a good car, but I'm sure there'll be some VZ owners who are biased towards VZ's too, and there's nothing wrong with that either. Drive both and see which you prefer.

Wow that was a ramble and a half! I do that when i'm tired haha. Hopefully that gives you something to think about anyway.

[VY2SS]

A completely different motor is a minor change now?

i'm refering to the ss's

[STEALTHY™]

i'm refering to the ss's

You should have specified that. Although, the Series 2 have the 6L, so stilll kinda different. Either way, the op has edited his post now, he's only after SV6 info (So VY S pac compared to VZ SV6 as they changed the name of that model)

[a1k3m1]

thats a good write up jimmyd17.. you actually explained why you think the VY is better lol

[VzVzVz]

A newer car for the same price? why not go the VZ?

I got a lesson in the alloytec's power coming home from work today. I went along the quieter road behind the workshops and dropped into 2nd at 50. At 3/4 throttle, it sounds awesome, goes awesome and feels awesome. Sure the ecotec may be a bigger engine, but it most certanly does not have anything over the alloytec.

Also try to get in Manual, they hold their value better than autos plus they're more fun. So are utes (just quietly)

[skookumchuck]

what the difference in the straight vy to the vy 2 series II ? mine's a 2004 or when you work out the vin numbers it's 2004 but when you look at the plate under the bonnet it says made in 2003 but you can't get a vy s series II in 2003 ! but i had to get it registered saying it was a 2003 !

[jimmyd17]

thats a good write up jimmyd17.. you actually explained why you think the VY is better lol

lol thanks.

I just thought of another (somewhat controversial on here!) side note... If you want a big six cylinder car, get a BA or BF falcon hahaha. I've got a BF ute for work and although i've always liked holdens better, still do and probably always will, but I have to say, ford did a brilliant job of the BA/BF. They really are a damn good car and much better value than the equivalent VY/VZ. Also, they don't to suffer the mandatory every 100,000km or less head gasket failure like the EA-AU crapbomb fords. My 06 BF is dedicated LPG which has 156kw compared to the petrol version which has 182 or 190 or something. can't remember. The 4 litre twin cam ford will leave a VY/VZ behind and then some. They have a massive amount more torque even if the kw are almost comparable. Even my dedicated gas ute is quicker than a VY/VZ haha. The ford six is so so so much better/smoother/more powerful/quieter/etc than an alloytec/ecotec. I just don't like the drive by wire throttle is the only thing, but the VZ has that too.

[edday]

I'm a bit bias when i say this, but i would personally go with the VZ, the front looks nicer and i thought the alloytec went quite well - but you do have to give it some revs

[VzVzVz]

lol thanks.

I just thought of another (somewhat controversial on here!) side note... If you want a big six cylinder car, get a BA or BF falcon hahaha. I've got a BF ute for work and although i've always liked holdens better, still do and probably always will, but I have to say, ford did a brilliant job of the BA/BF. They really are a damn good car and much better value than the equivalent VY/VZ. Also, they don't to suffer the mandatory every 100,000km or less head gasket failure like the EA-AU crapbomb fords. My 06 BF is dedicated LPG which has 156kw compared to the petrol version which has 182 or 190 or something. can't remember. The 4 litre twin cam ford will leave a VY/VZ behind and then some. They have a massive amount more torque even if the kw are almost comparable. Even my dedicated gas ute is quicker than a VY/VZ haha. The ford six is so so so much better/smoother/more powerful/quieter/etc than an alloytec/ecotec. I just don't like the drive by wire throttle is the only thing, but the VZ has that too.

I almost bought the Ford without giving two shits about Holden. I'm glad the Holden was my choice because the BA or BF is only going to cause issues in the future. A good manual BA is going to cost more than the Holden and not as much resale value. I looked at a BA XR6 and my Ford guy looked at it and warned me about power loss and suspension sagging. Take from the experts I guess.

But definately the VZ.

[svsex]

I haven't owned either a VY or VZ, but i've done a decent amount of driving in a VY, and also driven a VZ. I was quite dissapointed with the VZ alloytec. I was expecting it to be much better. In my opinion the alloytec in the VZ is a "downgrade" on the old ecotec VY. That might sound strange but let me explain.

The VY was much more responsive off the line, where as the VZ you need to rev the nuts off it to make it move. That wouldn't be such a downer if it sounded nice, but the alloytec sounds more like my mum's 30 year old sewing machine than a sweet revving V6. (eg: any toyota V6 of the last 20 years or even late 90's magna V6's are far superior to the alloytec IMO!).

The VZ alloytec has a fairly even torque spread. It makes close to its peak torque in a lot of the rev range which should be a good thing. But the feeling I got after stepping out of a VZ, this translates to - gutless everywhere.

I wouldn't say the old VY ecotec is a "superior motor" to the alloytec, because its really not. Its a bit of an old dunger really, but it does the job quite well and feels less gutless and more responsive than the alloytec. The downside of the ecotec is that its a pretty harsh motor at high revs. eg: it sounds like a conrod and pistion could come through the sump any second above of 5,000rpm, but if you don't thrash it then its not really a problem. But even still, the VZ alloytec isn't a smooth revving motor either. It is smoother than the ectotec, but still a harsh revving motor by todays standards.

So in conclusion, the VY gets my vote. It sounds better, is more responsive at low revs, uses about the same amount of fuel as the alloytec anyway, and isn't any slower. Just better to drive really lol. I may be slightly biased because I had a VS ecotec for a couple of years which was a good car, but I'm sure there'll be some VZ owners who are biased towards VZ's too, and there's nothing wrong with that either. Drive both and see which you prefer.

Wow that was a ramble and a half! I do that when i'm tired haha. Hopefully that gives you something to think about anyway.

eg: any toyota V6 of the last 20 years or even late 90's magna V6's are far superior to the alloytec IMO!).

ive ive owned a 2000 magna and my best mates missus had a v6 camry, i dont no which car u have driven but those arnt gud motors, mine blew oil and coolant smoke evry time off the lights( had only done 140000 kays) and that was typical with alot of magnas at that age as well as paint fade, shit headining.
a commodore or falcon any infact i think is a better car then any magna or camry of that age.
sorry for having a biased opinion but this is a commodore website

[svsex]

lol thanks.

I just thought of another (somewhat controversial on here!) side note... If you want a big six cylinder car, get a BA or BF falcon hahaha. I've got a BF ute for work and although i've always liked holdens better, still do and probably always will, but I have to say, ford did a brilliant job of the BA/BF. They really are a damn good car and much better value than the equivalent VY/VZ. Also, they don't to suffer the mandatory every 100,000km or less head gasket failure like the EA-AU crapbomb fords. My 06 BF is dedicated LPG which has 156kw compared to the petrol version which has 182 or 190 or something. can't remember. The 4 litre twin cam ford will leave a VY/VZ behind and then some. They have a massive amount more torque even if the kw are almost comparable. Even my dedicated gas ute is quicker than a VY/VZ haha. The ford six is so so so much better/smoother/more powerful/quieter/etc than an alloytec/ecotec. I just don't like the drive by wire throttle is the only thing, but the VZ has that too.

dunno if it was me or my mate cudnt drive an auto properly, hes got a bf xls falcon ute, xr8 exhaust sytem fitted, and i repetedly beat him in a straight line, i know its only a xls but they are lighter. he then went on to get a xr6 manual which i beat him still but only by a pube. and that was with petrol.

[06vzcalais]

im deffinately biased go the VZ
ya know ya wanna

[svsex]

yeh i gota say me too

[SavVYute]

Go for a VY.

If you can find a series II VY (the last ones made) even better. Holden seemed to have sorted them out pretty well by then.

If service costs are a factor...Go VY... the air, oil and fuel filters cost less too!

[jimmyd17]

eg: any toyota V6 of the last 20 years or even late 90's magna V6's are far superior to the alloytec IMO!).

ive ive owned a 2000 magna and my best mates missus had a v6 camry, i dont no which car u have driven but those arnt gud motors, mine blew oil and coolant smoke evry time off the lights( had only done 140000 kays) and that was typical with alot of magnas at that age as well as paint fade, shit headining.
a commodore or falcon any infact i think is a better car then any magna or camry of that age.
sorry for having a biased opinion but this is a commodore website

yes i totally agree that a commodore or falcon are better cars than magnas or camrys. i've driven magnas and camrys and its not a particularly enjoyable task lol. i wasn't talking about the cars overall, but their engines. i've done a bit of driving of a 97 magna 3.0 V6 with over 220,000km and in my opinion it is more responsive, smoother and i just like the engine better than the alloytec. that one doesn't blow smoke and runs perfectly, although i have seen other magnas of that era blowing smoke too. i'd rather a commodore overall though!! the way a magna drives with awful torque steer, vague steering, cheap build quality, rubbish turning circle, blah blah blah... i dont really like them, but engine is okay.

Just look at the toyota aurion V6. that is a brilliant engine! I drove all up the north west coast of tassie in a hire car aurion. good car apart from a few little annoying things, but i'd still prefer a commodore. but... the engine... just brilliant! if only holden turned one of those toyota V6's around for RWD and plonked it in a commodore!

even a mitsubishi 380 V6 with only sohc per bank is far superior to an alloytec, and a heck of a lot quicker.

but anyway, back on topic a bit.. VY ecotec versus VZ alloytec... well much of a muchness really. i personally like the old ecotec cos i just like driving it better. feels gruntier in normal driving conditions, more responsive. VZ is probably technically a better engine, but it lacks any real advantage over the old one in real world terms, and isn't as good to drive. hard to explain. i'm not bagging out VZ owners here. VY's and VZ's are good cars, but in my opinion, for that era its a bit dissapointing that holden weren't up to matching the competition (ford, toyota, mitsubishi) for engine goodness.

thats all only my opinion from my experience with these various cars/engines. anyone is quite welcome to have a different opinion than mine.

[svsex]

yeah i gota agre with everyday driving thing, me old man has a vx/wh? stato, it needs the lower end grunt the ecotecs have that the alloytec doesnt.