Keep my VT and mod it, or upgrade to a VY?

[dobes]

Hey guys
Im kind of caught up in the whole red pill/blue pill dillema
I have a 1998 VT Executive that i bought 2 months ago for $4500. (Talked the guy down from $6000) It's done 180K km's, dual fuel, wicked condition, rego till next July, serviced regularly, my first car too

But i really want to change the looks of this car, (im a sucker for looks), ive done my research and its going to cost me ~$2000 alone just for the body kit, thats for a VX senator kit + vx calais garnish and taillights and including paint
But with that kind of money, i can save it, then i can sell my car for around $5500 and probably purchase a VY for ~$8000-9000 (Dont want to spend more then $9500 but). Then with that, all i would have to do is get my exhaust done, dump it, then get rims and ill be all good
I know there isnt much difference between the VY and VT, pretty much same engine, only difference really is the looks of the car. Not sure about the problems that arise from each car, but im guessing all the flaws would be solved in the VY than the VT since its 4-6 years older

Anyways, those are my 2 options, any advice would be gladly appreciated, especially pro's and con's of each option
Thanks guys

[karlos]

As someone said yesterday"Do you like curves or edges"?.

[acarmody]

People remember me, I'm famous, LOL.

Frankly I think the VT with the kit would look better than a VY Exec stock, but thats just my opinion.

[Astranomical]

Man I'd just hang onto the VT...while VYs are nice, as you said they're pretty much the same as a VT underneath. Also, as you say your VT is in great condition, and if it had any problems you would have sorted them out by now...if you go up to a VY (which will also be a used car) you'll then have the job of cleaning it up and sorting out any issues with it unless you get lucky. Also, lets face it - the VX Senator kit just looks damn sexy.

Advantages to the VY as you said would be that they are a newer car, by that point they'd sorted out quite a few of the design flaws with the VT, also from memory the VXII/VY Ecotec had slightly more power than the VS/VT Ecotec, though that doesn't matter so much if you start doing engine mods, and some people prefer the VY shape. (personally I'm a sucker for the VT/VX's curves)

[elmaso]

Man I'd just hang onto the VT...while VYs are nice, as you said they're pretty much the same as a VT underneath. Also, as you say your VT is in great condition, and if it had any problems you would have sorted them out by now...if you go up to a VY (which will also be a used car) you'll then have the job of cleaning it up and sorting out any issues with it unless you get lucky. Also, lets face it - the VX Senator kit just looks damn sexy.

Advantages to the VY as you said would be that they are a newer car, by that point they'd sorted out quite a few of the design flaws with the VT, also from memory the VXII/VY Ecotec had slightly more power than the VS/VT Ecotec, though that doesn't matter so much if you start doing engine mods, and some people prefer the VY shape. (personally I'm a sucker for the VT/VX's curves)

+1 everything he said. i wanted a VT but couldnt afford one so settled with the VS, nice car, im not gonna up date until im off my P's

[dobes]

Wow thanks for the input guys!

Frankly I think the VT with the kit would look better than a VY Exec stock, but thats just my opinion.

Yeah i agree too, the senator kit im looking at is so schmiiiiiik, but i heard its a real hassle painting and then fitting the kit, and fibreglass gets damaged easy?

Man I'd just hang onto the VT...while VYs are nice, as you said they're pretty much the same as a VT underneath.

Advantages to the VY as you said would be that they are a newer car, by that point they'd sorted out quite a few of the design flaws with the VT

First off, i love your little slogan "Ecotec kicked in yo" hahaha
And if i did stick with my VT and spend so much doing it up, if i ever did want to sell it ill probably lose so much money out of it since after all, its a 12 year old car and ill regret spending all that money, whereas the VY is half the age, just 6 years old and i doubt itll depreciate that much. And newer car = less problems right?

[undersuspicion]

hey mate, from experience anything you spend on your car, you will be lucky to get half of that money back when time comes to sell. But saying that, if you plan to keep it for a few years and not worried about resale value by all means go for it. (i personally like the look of the vx senator kit.)

[keeny]

i sold my vt only a few months ago but to only upgrade to a vz. to upgrade to a vy just wasnt worth it. it wouldve been a great cost for little gain even though i like the vy/vz shape better. however if you do upgrade dont settle for an executive cause in time u will be back making the same decision. spend a little more and you will be happier. i know i was.

[undersuspicion]

mate, test drive a v8. You will love it!!

[MR_VX]

Im kind of caught up in the whole red pill/blue pill business

if red/blue pills ur talking about is what i think you mean. you shouldnt have a problem with money then?????

[dobes]

i sold my vt only a few months ago but to only upgrade to a vz. to upgrade to a vy just wasnt worth it. it wouldve been a great cost for little gain even though i like the vy/vz shape better. however if you do upgrade dont settle for an executive cause in time u will be back making the same decision. spend a little more and you will be happier. i know i was.

Is there any difference between the VY and the VZ, that are noticeable i should add
I know spending more sounds good, but then ill have to save more and the longer i keep my vt, the more money i lose on it cos i have to get a major service in 3000 k's :/

mate, test drive a v8. You will love it!!

Wish i could but im a red p-plater and imo, looks > performance :P

if red/blue pills ur talking about is what i think you mean. you shouldnt have a problem with money then?????

haha nah, its off the matrix, drugs are bad mmkayy

[Astranomical]

For one thing, the VZ has a whole new engine - the Alloytec as opposed to the Ecotec used in the older models. Thats a pretty damn big difference, the Alloytec is a much better engine than the old Ecotec. Secondly if you want an auto the higher level VZs come with a 5 speed tiptronic as opposed to the 4 speed auto that you get on previous models.

[dumpedvs]

My opinon: I hate VT's and would deffinantly go the VY
At the end of the day it all comes back down to what you would like most.

[dobes]

I think im leaning towards getting a VY/VZ, itll be better in the long run and then i probably wont regret spending so much on my VT if i were to sell it one day, cars arent forever
I have no clue about the Alloytec, how is it any better than the ecotec engine in the VY?

[dobes]

^^ I mean, in what ways is the Alloytec better than the Ecotec?

[doms1]

For one thing, the VZ has a whole new engine - the Alloytec as opposed to the Ecotec used in the older models. Thats a pretty damn big difference, the Alloytec is a much better engine than the old Ecotec. Secondly if you want an auto the higher level VZs come with a 5 speed tiptronic as opposed to the 4 speed auto that you get on previous models.

I have an alloytec and its rubbish,ecotecs a much better engine.BUT seriously if you are gonna do mods just get a v8

[undersuspicion]

hey mate,
id keep the vt standard, save up some cash and when you are off your p's go for a big grunting 8.
Ive been off my p's for a few years and am currently saving for an 8 myself.

[keeny]

in my opinion the alloytec is a much smoother engine. when i would flog my vt (ecotec) it felt like i was doing the motor damage however with the alloytec it still runs good no matter how hard i push it. the standard vz came with the 175 kw version of the alloytec and were paired with the std 4 speed auto. however the sv6 and calais came out with the 190 kw alloytec with either the 5 speed tiptronic auto with paddle shifters or a 6 speed manual (optioned on the sv6) there is one small problem however, holden got smart and realised that the everyday driver would not know how to use the power of the alloytec and installed a torque management program into the ecu. this program limits the full potential of the alloytec, but can be easily removed through an ecu tune which will also see the 190kw version reach 210-220 rwhp plus other mods

[HarmlessMuffinMan]

VT's are chat. Upgrade

[alpha_au]

A newer car will always drive smoother (unless it hasn't been looked after/serviced) and will have better driver aids/safety features, not to mention better standard features. I'd definately go for the newest car you can as long as its got books/history or receipts.

Vy interior = MUCH nicer than the vt which imo is still real nice for its age.

[028]

or,u could hang on the vt for a couple more years,then the ve will be within your price range ,it's already 5 yo car now

[aidanhq]

olds kool and you know it.

[soop]

Dribble dribble dribble.

How can you claim the Ecotec will go further?
The alloytec hasn't been around long enough.

The Alloytec is a far superior engine. It costs allot to modify at the moment but give it 10years and it will render the ecotec obsolete.

Buick is essentially the same motor as the ecotec, they're both rough agricultural motors.

OP, hang on to your cash and be patient. Buy an SS when you can.

[Drawnnite]

OP, hang on to your cash and be patient. Buy an SS when you can.

agreed.
spend nothing on your car (except to keep it going).

when you can buy a better car.

[2DIE]

VT's are chat. Upgrade

That coming from someone with a VX V6..