Pontiac GTO vs. Holden Monaro CV8Z

[Claude]

Well whats up with this. Looks like us yanks built a better Holden! I'm not sure but the CV8Z is the the top of the line Monaro right?

Our Pontiac GTO is equiped with a 6.0 Gen IV Ls2 With 400hp or roughly 300kw

Your Holden Monaro has a 5.7 Gen III Ls1 with 350hp or 260kw.

Bet you wish you had that!!

[vzdriver]

isnt the HSV GTS coupe the top of the line over here...they dont call it a monaro, but yeah its the monaro,.. thats 300 kw

[Boonz]

297 kw lol to be precise

[Bakes]

Nah the GTS Coupe had a 300kw LS1, the HSV Z model GTO coupes have 297 kW LS2, the same as the Pontiac GTO. Its rated at 297 i think mainly to keep the GTS owners happy that they still have the more powerful HSV.

[Boonz]

haha that would be right!!! they are capable of soo much more power tho....would love to see a 360kw stock gts

[VS Omega]

kW sells cars, torque moves them

[vzdriver]

quick question...the GTS is still available but only through special order ? is this correct? cuase i know for a while they did do this, but am unsure whether they do this in the VZ model...and if they do wat is the power? considering the vz(Z series hsv) have the ls2? sorry to be of topic

[Torana]

That might be right. I know right up until they killed off the Supercharged V6 you could get an XU-6 on Special Order (XU-6 stopped mass production when the VY came out).

Anyway, I reckon our Monaro looks better and if there's a 2008 Monaro then may God have mercy on us all if the yanks design and build it...

[Bakes]

You're right there juzza. I reckon an HSV GTO LS2 would probably beet the GTS LS1. I think I read somewhere that 85% of the LS2's max torque starts at around 1600 rpm. Thats pretty mental.

[czerwonyVN]

kW sells cars, torque moves them

only because late model commos weigh about as much as a small planet... bikes have absolutely no torque, are you saying theyre slow?

[garth]

i wonder if he knows that our monaro's aka the cv8-z has got the gen4, ls2, hmm, lol, hey are one in the same cars, jsut named differently, and ofcourse, different nose, and steering wheel is on the wrong side,

[rattattack1313]

only because late model commos weigh about as much as a small planet... bikes have absolutely no torque, are you saying theyre slow?

I thought they were only about 50 or so K's heavier..I might be wrong there though.....and Bikes have no torque ???Okay...............good to see you share your years of hands on knowledge with us mate.....

[czerwonyVN]

um ok.... look at the weight difference between a VK and a VT...

take an R6 and a HSV GTO

R6: 165kg, 600cc revs to 14,000rpm or so, makes 97kw and 62Nm, 0-100kmh<4seconds

GTO: 1700kg, 6000cc revs to 6,700rpm, makes 300kw and 535Nm, 0-100km=5seconds

do you see where im going with this?

[VS Omega]

only because late model commos weigh about as much as a small planet... bikes have absolutely no torque, are you saying theyre slow?

No, but remember.. bikes aren't cars! My point is that all these numbers get thrown around by the manufacturers, "look at me I have a bigger number" not taking into account weight or NM

[czerwonyVN]

No, but remember.. bikes aren't cars!

no, really?

[VS Omega]

Yep.. hard to believe but true!

[rattattack1313]

Where the Hell bikes came into this, I don't know.....

[Doctor Bob]

so you think the GTO is built in america?
yeah right ....


Rob

[rattattack1313]

Yea Bob...seems this bloke czerwonyVN knows everything.....

[czerwonyVN]

bob was probably addressing the author of this thread, as i never made such a statement.

[MYSS94]

i wonder if he knows that our monaro's aka the cv8-z has got the gen4, ls2, hmm, lol, hey are one in the same cars, jsut named differently, and ofcourse, different nose, and steering wheel is on the wrong side,

I think the CV8-Z still only has the GEN III!Well according to the Holden Site it does!

[rattattack1313]

only because late model commos weigh about as much as a small planet... bikes have absolutely no torque, are you saying theyre slow?

Who mentioned bikes?????

[czerwonyVN]

bikes are just an example, the principle is the same... if you put a bike engine into a really light car chassis (has been done, kit cars etc) it will be very fast even with so little torque.

[rattattack1313]

Bikes have little torque???? Okay..............................whatever..I have no wish to argue with someone that obviously knows so much about everything........

[Torana]

I want to see what Rat knows 'bout bikes...

<Gets ready to start LEARNING something...>