Adivce on RO polisher

[Luke V8]

Hi All,

Looking at taking the step from detailing by hand to machine...

I have enough products

Mothers clay bar
scratch x 2.0
meguires ultimate polish
nxt gen tech wax 2.0
etc etc etc etc...

I'm looking at this: RYOBI 750W Random Orbital Sander - Bunnings Warehouse

can anyone suggest what pads would be required .. i'm looking at removing light swirling from the car.

I plan on washing and then claying. Followed by using scratch x with the RO(what pads) then polish with the RO (what pad) and then finish the tech wax by hand...

Thoughts?

[Jonnii]

Im not so sure about all the pads and things but i do know you should use the polish first then scratch x otherwise youll undo everything the scratch x did

[Bravotwozero]

Scratch X is designed to fill and hide imperfections so if you apply a polish after the Scratch X, all you''re going to do is remove it again. So you'll want to use the Ultimate Polish and finish off with the NXT Wax. If you're correcting then don't use the Scratch X at all.

If you don't want to buy multiple pads, I'd recommend something like a white 6.5" Lake Country Polishing Pad. Wouldn't recommend the above RO as 3.5mm oscillation isn't going to be enough for any real correction. You need at least 5mm imho.

[Luke V8]

Really.....

I don't think you are correct with your order.....

With the products i use for swirls.. I have always understood it as clean, clay, scratch x, polish, wax

To make sure i even checked Meguiars..

How To Remove Swirls By Hand - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online

[Luke V8]

If you don't want to buy multiple pads, I'd recommend something like a white 6.5" Lake Country Polishing Pad. Wouldn't recommend the above RO as 3.5mm oscillation isn't going to be enough for any real correction. You need at least 5mm imho.

Ah ok, any idea where to get them?! thanks dude

[TrikkBen]

RO is poo for correcting, you need to look at a forced rotation RO like the Bosch GEX150T.

As Bravo said, steer clear of filler products such as swirlx etc. They look good for a short period but real paint correction is the way to go. Use a diminishing abrasive polish such as the CAP range from final inspection. It actually gets rid of the swirls instead of hiding them.

[bladerunner]

here you go;Welcome to Waxit.com.au - Australia's home of Premium Car Care Products, brands = Pinnacle, Swissvax, Zaino, Wolfgang, Poorboys, Klasse there are others but these guys seem the closest to you. once you discover places like this you''ll never buy from supacrap again. make sure to have a look at the da polisher kits, you might change your mind about a shitty ryobi from bunnings.lol

[Bravotwozero]

Really.....

I don't think you are correct with your order.....

With the products i use for swirls.. I have always understood it as clean, clay, scratch x, polish, wax

To make sure i even checked Meguiars..

How To Remove Swirls By Hand - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online

That link is very misleading. All he's doing is hiding the swirls by using products with a high oil content. After a few washes the oils will be washed out and the swirls will again be visible. If you're happy with this scenerio, don't waste your money on an RO.

RO is poo for correcting, you need to look at a forced rotation RO like the Bosch GEX150T.

As Bravo said, steer clear of filler products such as swirlx etc. They look good for a short period but real paint correction is the way to go. Use a diminishing abrasive polish such as the CAP range from final inspection. It actually gets rid of the swirls instead of hiding them.

Judging by the RO he's looking at, I don't think he's going to cough up for GEX150T. I have used CAP and wouldn't recommend it to anyone who hasn't used a machine before. Menzerna is much better than CAP for beginners imo. I got CAP medium when it first came out and I still prefer Menzerna. (My bottle of Cap is still 3/4 full!)

[ari666]

you gonna use that orbital? man, i wouldnt. does it have variable speed?

[Luke V8]

Cheers all.. I'll check that link out!! You learn something new every day!!

So what would you guys suggest for removing swirls permanently? And what equipment? Money isn't really an object at the moment... But I want to try myself before paying someone else lol

[Bravotwozero]

Oh if money isn't an issue buy this:

Bosch Turbo Sander. #GEX150T

And this:
Car Care Products / Menzerna / Exterior / Polish / Sampler Kit

And this:
Car Care Products / Lake Country / Car Accessories / Buffing Pads / Four 6.5'' Pad Kit

I have never used nxt gen tech wax but I have heard good things about it so stick with that.

[Luke V8]

Oh if money isn't an issue buy this:

Bosch Turbo Sander. #GEX150T

And this:
Car Care Products / Menzerna / Exterior / Polish / Sampler Kit

And this:
Car Care Products / Lake Country / Car Accessories / Buffing Pads / Four 6.5'' Pad Kit

I have never used nxt gen tech wax but I have heard good things about it so stick with that.

Thanks mate - the reason I was looking at the 750w OS was that I heard it was harder to cause damage!!

I get the basics etc and I know it will take time to perfect but gotta start one day

[dumpedvs]

My answer: Ask TinSnips (a member on here)
He knows everything about detailing

[bladerunner]

if money is no object then festool polishers are the go. their R/O, rotex and rotary polishers are the best. period. but you'll pay $$$$ for them. i use nothing else. if you want to learn machine polishing then go grab a wrecked car bonnet from a spraypainter shop and practise on that till you feel confident to try your car. that link i gave you has everything plus more that car care products.com has. plus they sell festool gear if you decide you want one. nothing wrong with those guys but waxit is closer postage wise. have a read of their tutorials on how to use polishers etc..

[glenn l]

ive got a festo ro and i love it, well balanced and light enough.

[ari666]

mate whats with everyone recommending radom orbitals??? how do you do your UBER slow stage with a random? i reckon hand polishing would achieve a better job. lol, stick a polishing pad on my wizzy

when looking for a good polisher, you need:

VERY light. so your hands dont fall off
smooth operation. cos' the vibrations make your hands fall off after 3 panels
variable speed
SINGLE DIRECTION!!! a random orbitol can change direction and itll mess with everything.

thats my 2c. im sure someone will be like: blaaah your wrong blaaaah blahahhah etc ettttttttttccccc


edit* i bought one of these in 1998. has been used on hundreds of cars and still going strong to this day. the variable speed switch is a bit annoying and you have to give it a whack from time to time, but not bad for a 13 year old polisher:

[bladerunner]

mate whats with everyone recommending radom orbitals??? how do you do your UBER slow stage with a random? i reckon hand polishing would achieve a better job. lol, stick a polishing pad on my wizzy

when looking for a good polisher, you need:

VERY light. so your hands dont fall off
smooth operation. cos' the vibrations make your hands fall off after 3 panels
variable speed
SINGLE DIRECTION!!! a random orbitol can change direction and itll mess with everything.

thats my 2c. im sure someone will be like: blaaah your wrong blaaaah blahahhah etc ettttttttttccccc


edit* i bought one of these in 1998. has been used on hundreds of cars and still going strong to this day. the variable speed switch is a bit annoying and you have to give it a whack from time to time, but not bad for a 13 year old polisher:

not once have i mentioned buy an orbital. but for the record all festool polishers have variable speed including your "uber" slow speed. their r/o weighs as much as a full can of coke.have a go of their rotex if you get the chance to, i bet you throw your rupes in the bin. great results can be achieved using a quility r/o to a degree obviously, f**k hand polishing. it's how you use the tool thats important..by the way no offence meant.

[Bravotwozero]

Thanks mate - the reason I was looking at the 750w OS was that I heard it was harder to cause damage!!

I get the basics etc and I know it will take time to perfect but gotta start one day

The only way you're going to damage your paint with ANY RO is by dropping it on your car. I kid you not! The benefit of the GEX150T is that when you decide you need a bit more correcting power than an RO you have the forced rotation mode. The next step up would then be a rotary.

My answer: Ask TinSnips (a member on here)
He knows everything about detailing

Tinsnips is a detailing enthusiast just like many on this forum. And no he doesn't know everything.

mate whats with everyone recommending radom orbitals??? how do you do your UBER slow stage with a random? i reckon hand polishing would achieve a better job. lol, stick a polishing pad on my wizzy

when looking for a good polisher, you need:

VERY light. so your hands dont fall off
smooth operation. cos' the vibrations make your hands fall off after 3 panels
variable speed
SINGLE DIRECTION!!! a random orbitol can change direction and itll mess with everything.

thats my 2c. im sure someone will be like: blaaah your wrong blaaaah blahahhah etc ettttttttttccccc


edit* i bought one of these in 1998. has been used on hundreds of cars and still going strong to this day. the variable speed switch is a bit annoying and you have to give it a whack from time to time, but not bad for a 13 year old polisher:

Man that Rupes is a dinosaur. Time you dragged yourself kicking and screaming into the 21st century! You recommend something light but those Rupes weigh a ####ing ton! And orbitals are good for beginners so that's why they're recommended so often. Using a rotary is a whole different story from an RO. And an RO won't mess anything up. You can get good results from a decent RO without the risk of paint damage.

not once have i mentioned buy an orbital. but for the record all festool polishers have variable speed including your "uber" slow speed. their r/o weighs as much as a full can of coke.have a go of their rotex if you get the chance to, i bet you throw your rupes in the bin. great results can be achieved using a quility r/o to a degree obviously, f**k hand polishing. it's how you use the tool thats important..by the way no offence meant.

A Festool Rotex 150 weighs 2.3KG (heavy can of coke) and is $935. Too ####ing expensive for an RO. Could get a Makita 9227CB for half that price.

[bladerunner]

A Festool Rotex 150 weighs 2.3KG (heavy can of coke) and is $935. Too ####ing expensive for an RO. Could get a Makita 9227CB for half that price.[/QUOTE] - yes a ROTEX IS THAT HEAVY BUT THE RANDOM ORBITAL IS NOT. yes the rotex is expensive but the op said that money is really no object hence my suggestion. he says he wants an r/o and yes they are perfect for beginners.use your makita if you prefer them i dont..

[Bravotwozero]

Paul Dalton used to use the very same machine I do. Damian Angelucci from Final Inspection still uses one. A Makita 9227CB is a rotary by the way, not an RO.

[ari666]

wow, i honestly didnt mean any offence.

LOL, my rupes is not the exact model shown. is a lot smaller and lighter, but yeah, its a proper dinosaur but it does the job fantastically. i just couldnt see a RO being able to cut the mustard in both heavy cut AND fine polish, whereas these can and do. mind you, a RO would probably be much better for the final polish. i just do it by hand TBH.


but then again, im just a backyard hack. probably cut about 2 cars per year nowadays. i could see it becoming an issue if you were doing it daily