Holden No Longer Australia #1 Car!!

[M1LMO3]

What has happen in Aus lately, I was shocked to hear that the commodore after 15years was no longer Australia's #1 car WTF beaten by a Mazda 3 please buy a real car seriously a Mazda 3 (well at least it wasn't a ford)

But c'mon imagine a modified Mazda haha imagine Just Mazda 3's

Anyways here's the stats.

The Mazda3 is officially Australia’s favourite car, ending the locally made Holden Commodore’s run of 15 years at the top.

The small Japanese car with the big grin fought a tit-for-tat battle with the big Aussie family favourite throughout the year, and eventually claimed the win by just 812 vehicles (41,429 vs 40,617).

The Mazda’s unprecedented 2011 performance, in which its sales increased by 6.2 per cent compared with 2010, sees it dislodge the Commodore from the number one spot for the first time since 1996, when the Commodore surged past traditional Australian rival, the Ford Falcon.

Official VFACTS data released today by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) shows that 1,008,437 passenger cars, SUVs and commercial vehicles were sold in Australia in 2011, down 2.6 per cent (27,137 vehicles) compared with 2010.

The year was just the fourth in history that more than one million vehicles were sold across the country.

Despite a year disrupted by the supply issues stemming from natural disasters in Japan and Thailand, Toyota was by the far most popular brand in Australia. Toyota has now been the top-selling brand in Australia for the past nine years, and for 15 of the past 21.

Holden was a distant second while Australia’s only other local manufacturer Ford held off strong challenges from Mazda and Hyundai.

Top 20 sales by marque:

1. Toyota – 181,624
2. Holden – 126,095
3. Ford – 91,243
4. Mazda – 88,333
5. Hyundai – 87,008
6. Nissan – 67,926
7. Mitsubishi – 61,108
8. Volkswagen – 44,740
9. Subaru – 34,011
10. Honda – 30,107
11. Kia – 25,128
12. Suzuki – 23,778
13. Mercedes-Benz – 21,180
14. BMW – 17,508
15. Audi – 14,511
16. Great Wall – 8665
17. Jeep – 8648
18. Isuzu Ute – 6397
19. Lexus – 6347
20. Land Rover – 5832

Volkswagen was among the prime movers in 2011, overtaking Subaru and Honda into eighth place overall. Honda plummeted more than 25 per cent, however, giving Kia and Suzuki a sniff of the top 10.

Mercedes-Benz remains the dominant luxury-car brand in the country, although of the big three, Audi was the only one to enjoy increased sales in 2011.

Top 20 sales by model:

1. Mazda3 – 41,429
2. Holden Commodore – 40,617
3. Toyota HiLux – 36,124
4. Toyota Corolla – 36,087
5. Holden Cruze – 33,784
6. Hyundai i30 – 28,869
7. Nissan Navara – 21,675
8. Toyota Camry – 19,169
9. Ford Falcon – 18,741
10. Mitsubishi Lancer – 18,717
11. Volkswagen Golf – 18,383
12. Mazda2 – 17,591
13. Mitsubishi Triton – 17,188
14. Toyota Yaris – 16,214
15. Ford Ranger – 15,586
16. Ford Territory – 13,866
17. Subaru Forester – 13,142
18. Toyota RAV4 – 13,125
19. Ford Focus – 12,863
20. Suzuki Swift – 12,388

The Mazda2 (17,591) held off a late challenge from the recently updated Toyota Yaris (16,214) to claim top spot in the light car segment. The Ford Fiesta (12,286), narrowly missing out on the overall top 20, and Suzuki Swift (12,388) ran a tight race for third.

Small cars dominated the pointy end of the sales charts in 2011, accounting for five of the top 10 models overall. The Mazda3’s top ranking has somewhat overshadowed the resurgence of the Corolla. A win in December made the Corolla the top-selling vehicle in the country for the past four months, and that momentum potentially makes it the early favourite to steal the Mazda3’s crown in 2012.

A lacklustre November couldn’t come close to knocking the Toyota Camry (19,169) off top spot in the medium segment, although its share of the sub-$60,000 category fell almost seven per cent in a difficult year for Australia’s locally made mid-sized sedan. The Ford Mondeo (6626) enjoyed solid growth in a declining segment, while the Mercedes-Benz C-Class (6428) and Mazda6 (5794) followed closely behind, despite slipping compared with 2010.

The Commodore’s 40,617 sales gave it a 55.4 per cent share of the large-car segment, well clear of the Falcon, which limped to a 25.6 per cent share in 2011. Both were well down on 2010 – the Falcon by 36.5 per cent, the Commodore 11.6 per cent – as consumers continue to downsize from traditional large family cars. The Toyota Aurion also dropped more than 24 per cent last year, recording just 8915 sales.

The Kia Carnival (3595) increased its dominance of the people mover segment over the Hyundai iMax (1922) and the Honda Odyssey (1178).

A strong end to the year put the Subaru Forester (13,142) on top of the compact SUV segment, just edging out the Toyota RAV4 (13,125). The Nissan Dualis (9214) and Hyundai ix35 (11,487) both enjoyed healthy sales growth this year, up 39.8 per cent and 59.5 per cent, respectively.

The revitalised Ford Territory (13,866) won plenty of fans in 2011, and finished the year as the top-selling SUV in the country. The Toyota Kluger (11.692) and Prado (10,849) duo rounded out the podium in the medium SUV segment, while the Toyota LandCruiser (9119) maintained its 3:1 advantage over the Nissan Patrol in the large SUV segment.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee (3374) – although arguably out of its league in the luxury SUV segment – won the class ahead of the Audi Q5 (2801) and the BMW X5 (2770).

The Hyundai iLoad (6610) overtook the Toyota HiAce (6034) in the van segment to achieve top spot for the first time.

The HiLux was unbeatable in either ute segment, however. The 4×2’s 12,399 sales put it clear of the Commodore-based Holden Utility (9489) and the Ford Falcon Ute (6814), while the HiLux 4×4’s 23.725 sales gave it the edge over the Nissan Navara (20,162), the Mitsubishi Triton (11,297), the Ford Ranger (11,286), and the Holden Colorado (10,618).

[VRCALAISS]

it's a pitty that real aussie cars are being beaten by jap shit in their own country,but it proves how many little hair perming poofs are out there.

[Daggy082]

Not hard to imagine why thought... Fuel is getting really expensive and the VE's are big and slow...

[Big_Simmo]

they may be big and slow but they are a shitload more comfortable thats for damn sure

[HSV5L]

Australians should keep the money in Australia imo... Holdens and Ford ftw.

[M1LMO3]

[QUOTE=Daggy082;2076061]Not hard to imagine why thought... Fuel is getting really expensive and the VE's are big and slow...[/QUOTE

Big and slow's (probably got tons of power on the Mazda 3) is better then a driving a girly matchbox.

But seriously would you be seen in a Mazda 3 and treat it like your pride and joy ?? I'm thinking not lol

I get what you mean though it's cheaper on fuel but even the newer commodore's are better on fuel then the older one's but c'mon it's Australia's family car.

[aaronevolution]

Didn't Australia used to have a cap on how many imports could be sold per year?

Where has this gone? Soon we will end up like Detroit.

[Krisp]

wtf, there is 8600 idiots that bought greatwalls *face palm*

[edals]

[QUOTE=M1LMO3;2076076]

Not hard to imagine why thought... Fuel is getting really expensive and the VE's are big and slow...[/QUOTE

Big and slow's (probably got tons of power on the Mazda 3) is better then a driving a girly matchbox.

But seriously would you be seen in a Mazda 3 and treat it like your pride and joy ?? I'm thinking not lol


I get what you mean though it's cheaper on fuel but even the newer commodore's are better on fuel then the older one's but c'mon it's Australia's family car.

Those Mazda 3s Do have quite a bit of zip for what they are and love to rev, did 0-100 in 8 seconds, same as my VY lol But it was not that great on fuel only about 8.5L per 100, when i get 9.3 AVG

But I still love how big and comphey my Wagon is, and feels much better built, the imports are just all plastic lol

[Astranomical]

Its quite sad...but unfortunately its also a sign of the times...fuel's expensive, and people just can't afford to run bigger, less fuel efficient cars. And the Cruze is a pathetic effort compared to what the Japanese and European manufacturers are offering. What I would actually like to see Holden do, would be to come out with a modern day Torana. A small, RWD hatch or sedan thats available with a variety of different powertrains.

For what its worth, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to be seen in a Mazda3, and take care of it just as much as they would a Commodore. I drive an Astra, which is much like a Mazda3, and while its not a Commodore, I still appreciate it for what it is, and understand that while its not the Commodore that I really want (but will get one day), that it beats the hell out of catching the bus, or driving a Korean/Chinese shitbox that I actually would be ashamed to be seen in. Also - I wouldn't exactly call the Mazda3 girly...if you want a girly car, try a Barina Spark on for size....

[Pickle']

double post.

[Pickle']

Big and slow's (probably got tons of power on the Mazda 3) is better then a driving a girly matchbox.

But seriously would you be seen in a Mazda 3 and treat it like your pride and joy ?? I'm thinking not lol

I get what you mean though it's cheaper on fuel but even the newer commodore's are better on fuel then the older one's but c'mon it's Australia's family car.

I suggest you jump out of your fully sick VX and try something else once in a while.

A commodore doesn't have 'tons of power' compared to anything, and i wouldnt go around thinking im a big manly man because i drive a commodore.

[M1LMO3]

Big and slow's (probably got tons of power on the Mazda 3) is better then a driving a girly matchbox.

But seriously would you be seen in a Mazda 3 and treat it like your pride and joy ?? I'm thinking not lol

I get what you mean though it's cheaper on fuel but even the newer commodore's are better on fuel then the older one's but c'mon it's Australia's family car.

I suggest you jump out of your fully sick VX and try something else once in a while.

A commodore doesn't have 'tons of power' compared to anything, and i wouldnt go around thinking im a big manly man because i drive a commodore.

Mate my VX sits in my shed most of the time and for reference sakes my daily driver is a 5spd Holden Barina, I learnt to drive in a ford ghia V8. My sister owns a Mazda 3 which I have also driven more then once.

Let's see what else I driven other then VX, oh dad owns a VE E3 GTS mum owns a Holden Jackaroo turbo. I also drive a Holden Colorado lt-r daily at work.

Dude I maybe 19 but I grew in a family of eight out on a farm we had tons of cars which varied from 4x4, utes, v6's,v8's etc

I wasn't saying my VX was all that and an actually fact I believe I was talking about the VE and I will not take back the matchbox thing I drive one daily that being my barina but then again that's a Holden.

And I don't think I actually stated that the Mazda 3 had no power anywhere I said that the VE probably has tons more power.

Which if you would like to think a Mazda 3 would beat a stock VE sv6 or ss then ok that's up to you.

C'mon mate why you got so much of an attitude did I offend you?

[hakhawk]

gotta love all the one eyed wonders in this thread.

[M1LMO3]

Its quite sad...but unfortunately its also a sign of the times...fuel's expensive, and people just can't afford to run bigger, less fuel efficient cars. And the Cruze is a pathetic effort compared to what the Japanese and European manufacturers are offering. What I would actually like to see Holden do, would be to come out with a modern day Torana. A small, RWD hatch or sedan thats available with a variety of different powertrains.

For what its worth, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to be seen in a Mazda3, and take care of it just as much as they would a Commodore. I drive an Astra, which is much like a Mazda3, and while its not a Commodore, I still appreciate it for what it is, and understand that while its not the Commodore that I really want (but will get one day), that it beats the hell out of catching the bus, or driving a Korean/Chinese shitbox that I actually would be ashamed to be seen in. Also - I wouldn't exactly call the Mazda3 girly...if you want a girly car, try a Barina Spark on for size....

Haha I only said it was girly cause everyone that I see driving them are girls plus my sister owns one and she likes to think she's a barbie lol

But hey mate I drive a Holden Barina not a spark luckily daily to work and it's a matchbox lol but my sisters Mazda 3 would smash the barina haha

[DAKSTER]

The reason the Mazda 3 is the best selling car in the market is that the total package suits more people than other packages do. Simple as that. Its a hell of a good car - the combination of price, options, performance and equipment levels all appeal to more people than a Commodore.

You all just got outvoted by the rest of Australia.

As far as being 'Jap Shit', Holden could learn a lot on how to build a quality car if they studied a few jap cars.

I own 2 'Korean shitboxes' and both of my Kia's are far better cars than my Commodore, and I am not embarrassed at all to be seen in them.

[VRCALAISS]

lol's at homosexual jap car defense squad,give up your rights as a human.

[aaronevolution]

lol's at homosexual jap car defense squad,give up your rights as a human.

Quote for awesomeness.

[DAKSTER]

lol's at homosexual jap car defense squad,give up your rights as a human.

At least I have evolved to the point where I can be called human. Good luck, dont eat the red berries

[Dr HaxZaw]

lol this is turing into quite a nice thread although im all out of popcorn

wouldnt mind as much if it was cars like this outselling the commodore

[Krisp]

[QUOTE=M1LMO3;2076076
I get what you mean though it's cheaper on fuel but even the newer commodore's are better on fuel then the older one's but c'mon it's Australia's family car.[/QUOTE]
My vn is more economical than a ve so where did you get those stats from?

[aaronevolution]

My vn is more economical than a ve so where did you get those stats from?

I'd reckon my 6 Litre would give your 3.8 a run for its money

[M1LMO3]

[QUOTE=Krisp;2076224]

My vn is more economical than a ve so where did you get those stats from?

Firstly my old VS consumed twice as much fuel as my VX and got half the kilometers.

Holden cuts Commodore thirst

Lower thirst: Fuel consumption for the upgraded entry-level Commodore Omega will be 8.9-litres per 100km.
Commodore consumption slips below 9.0L/100km, but 2013 VF will use less again

2 September 2011
By MARTON PETTENDY
HOLDEN has trimmed the Commodore’s fuel consumption to less than nine litres per 100km for the first time, but the new ‘VF’ Commodore range confirmed for release in just two years will be even more frugal.

The entry-level 3.0-litre Commodore Omega sedan and wagon will come with an official consumption figure of 8.9L/100km when upgraded and facelifted MY12 versions of Australia’s top-selling car are released in mid-September, Holden announced this week.

But company chairman and managing director Mike Devereux told the first Alternative Fuels Summit in Brisbane this week that GM Holden has targeted “mid-eights” fuel consumption for the next-generation that will arrive sooner than expected in 2013.

“When we launched VE (Commodore) in 2006 we had about 10.8L/100km in the Omega and over the last five or six years we’ve been able to take that down to 8.9,” Mr Devereux was quoted by News Limited as saying.

“That’s an 18 per cent improvement in fuel economy. It's largely due to our approach to things like direct-injection, a smarter approach to the way air flows underneath the vehicle and tiny things like a change last year to the tailgate of the vehicle to make air flow more efficiently off the back of the vehicle.

“So there are ways to improve the old internal combustion engine and right now our fuel economy targets of 8.9 we are trying to take down to the mid-eights as we go forward into our next gen of Commodore, which is about two years from now.”

Mr Devereux confirmed the next Commodore would be more efficient after a “significant light-weighting” program, including aluminium panels and other technical advances such as electric power steering.

For now, the MY12 Commodore range due in production this month will be two and three per cent more economical at base level, with the Omega 3.0L SIDI auto sedan and wagon returning 8.9L/100km (down from a respective 9.1 and 9.2L/100km), with a corresponding CO2 emissions cut, to 210 grams per kilometre for both models.

Automatic versions of the 3.6-litre SV6 and Calais/Calais V sedan will also be three per cent more fuel-efficient, at 9.5L/100km, while the 3.0-litre Berlina Sportwagon will be use two per cent less fuel (9.2L/100km), and the Calais/Calais V Sportwagon auto (9.8L/100km), SV6 Ute auto and Caprice V6 will also be one per cent less thirsty at 9.8L/100km. All other Commodore models remain unchanged.

Holden says the efficiency gains are due to a series of detail running changes, including “on-going vehicle mass reduction”, an improved automatic transmission that reduces mechanical losses for all V6 models, a revised torque converter for 3.0 SIDI V6 variants and a reworked air-conditioning system that draws less operating power.

Apart from arming Holden with a timely spoiler for Ford’s facelifted Falcon, which is due on sale in October, and the redesigned Aurion that Toyota will launch next April, the MY12 Commodore line-up will move further ahead of its Australian-made large sedan rivals in terms of fuel consumption – for now.

At 8.9L/100km, Holden’s most efficient Commodore is now a full litre/100km more frugal than Ford’s most efficient Falcon (XT auto sedan: 9.9L/100km) and Toyota’s most efficient Aurion (AT-X auto sedan: 9.9L/100km), and almost lineball with Australia’s other fleet favourite, the Melbourne-made Camry (Altise auto sedan: 8.8L/100km).

However, Ford is expected to lower that benchmark to about 8.0L/100km when its first four-cylinder Falcon – fitted with a 2.0-litre EcoBoost turbo-petrol engine – arrives next February, two months before Toyota’s new Aurion V6 hits dealers with an expected consumption figure of about 9.3L/100km.

Before then in November, Toyota’s lighter new Camry will land with fuel consumption that will also start around 8.0L/100km, while the efficiency of next February’s hybrid version should improve by a similar amount, from 6.0L to less than 5.5L/100km.

Currently, Holden’s Cruze diesel manual is the most efficient Australian-made vehicle, at 5.6L/100km.

The lower official ADR 81/02 fuel consumption figures for the MY12 Commodore range, which will also come with “subtle design enhancements and other features which will be announced closer to start of production this month”, apply only to petrol-fuelled models.

However, Holden this week also announced all MY12 Commodores would also be ethanol-capable, following production of an E85-compatible 3.6-litre version of GM’s Port Melbourne-built V6.

This month’s release of E85-compliant 3.6 SIDI models follows the launch of the E85 3.0-litre V6 and 6.0-litre V8 models with the MY11 Commodore range last September, and the release of direct-injection SIDI versions of the 3.0 and 3.6 V6 models with the MY10 Commodore line-up in 2009.

The cleaner-burning fuel blend of up to 85 per cent ethanol – made in Australia from the waste by-product of wheat and sugar, sorghum and potentially household garbage – and 15 per cent petrol is only available from selected Caltex service stations on Australia’s east coast.

“The entire Commodore range is now flex-fuel capable, Caltex and other fuel retailers are making high ethanol-blend fuels available and we are working with our consortium partners to build Australia’s first second-generation ethanol plant to turn rubbish into fuel,” said Mr Devereux at the Alternative Fuels Summit in Brisbane on August 30.

“Commodore drivers who run their car on bio-ethanol/E85 can reduce their well-to-wheel CO2 emissions by up to 40 per cent compared to petrol.”

News Limited also reported Mr Devereux as saying at the summit that E85 capability adds about $100 to the cost of each vehicle, which represents the cost of its “strategic decision” to make every Commodore E85-compliant.

“That's not free. Holden has actually invested ahead of wide availability of the fuel (ethanol) across the country. I don't want you to cry for Holden because it's a strategic decision we're making, but it costs us about $100 per car to make those vehicles capable of running on E85.

“We put a stake in the ground and said every Commodore will be capable of running on E85.'”

GM Holden energy and environment director Richard Marshall told GoAuto this week the company remains committed to E85 and that ethanol-ready engines would continue to be available across the new MY14 Commodore range.

“That’s what we want to do,” he said. “We’ve got it on the car now and we’re committed to it at this stage for the long term.”

Mr Devereux also revealed at the summit that Holden’s alternative fuel strategy would take another step early next year, when it launches its first dedicated-LPG system for the Commodore with an under-floor LPG tank that does not impinge on load space – one of the major drawbacks of LPG vehicles.

“For some people it’s kind of disconcerting when you open up the back of the car you see this very high-tech looking tank full of LPG,” he said.

“Our Commodore early next year will take the tank out of the back of the vehicle and put it under the vehicle, freeing up that space. It's all about removing the barriers and the perception that 'oh my god, there's a bomb in the boot' thing and making LPG seem like a very reasonable, easy to adopt technology.'”

It is not yet clear how or if Holden will offer a spare tyre with its dedicated LPG Commodore models, but Falcon LPi models come with a smaller 464-litre boot than conventional petrol-powered models (535 litres) and are fitted as standard with a tyre repair kit, while a temporary spare is a no-cost option and a full-size spare costs $250.

As GoAuto has reported, the Commodore’s mono-fuel LPG system will remain a vapour-based system – unlike the liquid-injection system offered by HSV models and Ford’s new Falcon LPi range – but should bring significant advances over the model’s existing dual-fuel LPG system.

“Alternative fuels like bio-ethanol and LPG offer great potential for Australia through reduced CO2 emissions, regional development and energy independence,” said Mr Devereux.

“Bringing more dedicated LPG and flex-fuel vehicles to market will help drive demand for these Australian-made fuels and demystify and make people aware of the benefits they offer.”

According to News Limited, Mr Devereux said Australia could become a world centre for LPG expertise over the next five years.

“Ford actually have a fantastic new LPi system in their Falcon and we are launching an all-new mono-fuel LPG system in our Commodore next year,” he said.

“It is incredibly naturally abundant and the technologies to run this fuel are all here in this country.”

Mr Devereux said Holden’s alternative fuel drive would run in parallel to his company’s efficiency strategy, which includes improving aerodynamics, electric power steering and light-weighting, which together are expected to cut Commodore’s thirst by about seven per cent at the cost of at least $160 million.

A quarter of that ($39.8 million) will be paid by the federal government from its now defunct Green Car Innovation Fund.
[B]
“And as well as adding flex-fuel capability, we aim to continuously improve Commodore with every model year,” he said.
[/B]
“Our engineers and designers are constantly striving to improve fuel efficiency and performance and to enhance the look and feel of the car for our customers.

“Our team is currently working on innovative weight-saving features like aluminium body panels and exploring the potential benefits of other technologies like electronic power steering.

“It’s this sort of engineering commitment that makes Holden one of the country’s largest R&D investors, it keeps Australia at the forefront of automotive innovation and reflects the importance of co-investing in this high-tech industry.”

While this month’s upgraded MY12 Commodore range is likely to be the last major change before Holden’s redesigned VE-based ‘VF’ Commodore line-up emerges in 2013, next month’s Falcon facelift could carry Ford’s homegrown large-car through to an all-new model in 2016.

Both Ford and Holden are this year expected to decide the fundamental make-up of their next-generation large cars – including whether they will continue to be based on a front, rear, or all-wheel drive chassis architecture – before the next all-new Commodore appears around 2018.

Fuel Consumption (L/100km)
Vehicle Engine Trans MY11 MY12 Change
Omega/ Berlina sedan 3.0L SIDI Auto 9.1 8.9 0.2
SV6 sedan 3.6L SIDI Manual 9.8 9.8
SV6 sedan 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.8 9.5 0.3
SS sedan 6.0L V8 Manual 12.2 12.2
SS sedan 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3
SSV sedan 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3
SSV sedan 6.0L V8 Manual 12.2 12.2
Calais/ Calais V sedan 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.8 9.5 0.3
Calais V sedan 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3
Omega Sportwagon 3.0L SIDI Auto 9.2 8.9 0.3
Berlina Sportwagon 3.0L SIDI Auto 9.4 9.2 0.2
SV6 Sportwagon 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.9 9.8 0.1
SS Sportwagon 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3
SS Sportwagon 6.0L V8 Manual 12.2 12.2
SSV Sportwagon 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3
SSV Sportwagon 6.0L V8 Manual 12.2 12.2
Calais/ V Sportwagon 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.9 9.8 0.1
Calais V Sportwagon 6.0L V8 Auto 12.4 12.4
Omega Ute 3.0L SIDI Auto 9.6 9.6
SV6 Ute 3.6L SIDI Manual 9.8 9.8
SV6 Ute 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.9 9.8 0.1
SS Ute 6.0L V8 Auto 12.4 12.4
SS Ute 6.0L V8 Manual 12.3 12.3
SSV Ute 6.0L V8 Auto 12.4 12.4
SSV Ute 6.0L V8 Manual 12.3 12.3
Caprice 3.6L SIDI Auto 9.9 9.8 0.1
Caprice V 6.0L V8 Auto 12.3 12.3

[fuzzy2308]

I'd buy a mazda 3 over a commodore any day, The mazda is far more superior in EVERY way.

[VRCALAISS]

I'd buy a mazda 3 over a commodore any day, The mazda is far more superior in EVERY way.

I just loled at this comment so hard because Mazda invented water cooled brakes an reverse camera in 1969...

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