WRX drivetrain.... Commodore AWD thoguhts and comments??

[Bowen]

So we all know the sucky thing about having a commodore is your going around a corner then ahhhhh shitttttt UNDERSTEEEERRRR , or the opposite.... oh shitt OVER STEEERRRR .... i think i have a solution.

Thoughts and comments on a AWD commodore with WRX tranny slash drive train powered by the commodore!!

go nuts....

[jakstas]

ignoring all money and engineering hours required to make it fit...

they explode frequently, and are labled as hand grenades to the point where their owners are forced to upgrade to ultra expensive PPG gearsets.
WRX is a bigger understeer machine than a commodore.
Holden already has an AWD platform. Nobody bought it. because its a bad idea.

Did i miss anything?

[wraith]

Be gone troll.

[Bowen]

was thinking of doing the 600 hp PPG gearset / diff set and turbo build on the engine....
agreed there would be soooo much time n money in fabrication and fitting but i dunno i guess i just reckon it would be so good to have a 4wd commodore... the power of the 6 crab walking in 4wd around corners kinda excited me i guess haha

[minux]

ignoring all money and engineering hours required to make it fit...

they explode frequently, and are labled as hand grenades to the point where their owners are forced to upgrade to ultra expensive PPG gearsets.
WRX is a bigger understeer machine than a commodore.
Holden already has an AWD platform. Nobody bought it. because its a bad idea.

Did i miss anything?

Understeer machine? Interesting, I would have a bet I can take any corner at least 20% faster than you can in your SS (Didn't the SS's have all those engine problems and camber issues?).
As for hand grenades, this is my second, never had an issue with anything in the driveline and that included a nice little 220awkw setup, the car LOVED the track day (unlike the few holdens who had to put spare tyres on or be towed home due to breakages and no brakes). Is it a perfect car? Hell no, but a hell of a lot better than anything Holden is producing at the moment (in my opinion).

End of the day, if you want an AWD system, simply dont buy a holden, the AWD holdens were barges without big money spent to power all the wheels well.

[showbags]

Go buy an adventurer, transplant a LS7 with a Whipple blower. Job done.

[Reaper]

So we all know the sucky thing about having a commodore is your going around a corner then ahhhhh shitttttt UNDERSTEEEERRRR , or the opposite.... oh shitt OVER STEEERRRR .... i think i have a solution.

Thoughts and comments on a AWD commodore with WRX tranny slash drive train powered by the commodore!!

go nuts....

Buy an Adventra or any of the AWD's and you have one. They all have soob gearboxes/centre diffs etc. Sort out some firewall issues (they are actually built with modified LHD firewalls to clear stuff) and you could put it into pretty much any Commodore.

Reaper

[Drawnnite]

coupe 4 -> holden (hsv to be specific) had awd.
from memory based on the subaru or one of those drivetrains.

so its not just adventurers

[Reaper]

coupe 4 -> holden (hsv to be specific) had awd.
from memory based on the subaru or one of those drivetrains.

so its not just adventurers

Yeah - Soob were part owned by GM at the time and shared their AWD tech with anybody from the GM worlds who wanted it.

Reaper

[sweefu]

So we all know the sucky thing about having a commodore is your going around a corner then ahhhhh shitttttt UNDERSTEEEERRRR , or the opposite.... oh shitt OVER STEEERRRR .... i think i have a solution.

Thoughts and comments on a AWD commodore with WRX tranny slash drive train powered by the commodore!!

go nuts....

Perhaps set up your suspension properly, so there is no understeer nor overtseer?

[Dr HaxZaw]

i've got a vy s pack which would be pretty similar to a vx s pack and i've never had any problems with understeer unless you drive like a retard in the wet

[Bowen]

only issues i see is a: adventura has only an automatic box... which i cant handle ......

what other models had the AWD box??

P.s you dont need to be going very fast to suffer from the unfortunate fate of under / over steer in the commodore.... having driven a rexy around the gorge (this hell tight windy road near my house) i can tell you that honestly i think you could corner almost twice as fast (though yes arguably there is other factors eg. wrx and commodore diff weight distribution, weight in general, ride height, suspendsion set up etc ...) but i reckon with a AWD box and the right suspension set up you could get pretty close to it!!!

see trouble is i think the biggest thing is that in all honesty having a RWD with alot of power is honestly just dangerous in the wrong conditions eg. wet ..... so i dont wanna put money into a RWD eg. commodore then die on every single corner.....

alot of people would say why dont u just buy a wrx ... but i really like the look slash shape of the commodores and i reckon they're awsome cars, a heap of stock power too hence the post.

sorry for the essay

[sweefu]

Buy a WRX then?

[Full Spectrum]

I'm sure i've seen a guy on YouTube with a coupe 4 with heaps of power.

[Dr HaxZaw]

Formula 1 cars are RWd with heaps of power... why not just turn your commodore into one of them if your after handling??

[gslrallysport]

they explode frequently, and are labled as hand grenades to the point where their owners are forced to upgrade to ultra expensive PPG gearsets.

5 speeds yes, 6 speeds no. The later from factory is stronger than the control box of the V8's...

WRXs understeer from factory due to lack of caster and the fact that 'symmetrical AWD' by it's design means the entire engine is forward of the front axle line... feck all to do with the fact that they're AWD.

I had a Cross 6 One Toner, and thought the AWD system, minus the electronics that intervened, was simply brilliant...

[HVXII]

if thats what you wanna do id say go for it if you got the cars but yeah id say you best bid would be a written of coupe4 which will be extremely dificult but taking the stuff out of that. everyone has their own opinions but hey in the end its your money and your car do what you want i actually like the idea and had it a few years back but yeha to expencive.

[NFNSUS]

You wanna mix an Australian beauty with a wogboy boombox?

Oh dear..

[RiCeY]

Understeer in a Commodore means a poor wheel alignment, crap tyres or too high a corner speed ie driver error. Commodores can be quite competitive in a track environment if set up correctly. Watch the races on TV where you have commodores mixing it up with evos and WRXs etc and its not uncommon to see Commos up the front of the pack.

Oversteer is again poor setup, crap tyres or poor throttle control.

Admittedly a Commodore isnt designed to be a track car but with decent suspension set up correctly, good tyres and a capable driver they certainly arent a slouch when it comes to the twisty bits.

[Darcon666]

Money, time and engineering issues aside....

If your expecting a 1800-1900Kg Holden Commodore to handle like a 1200-1550Kg WRX/STi, EVO 7/8/9 or R32/33/34.... Then I suggest you go buy a WRX/STi, EVO 7/8/9 or R32/33/34, seriously... fricken school holidays.

[NFNSUS]

^

VH commodore sedan is 1200-1350kg


Just saying..

[scvs6]

Buy a WRX and put Holden badges on it?

Actually no, don't do that.

[Jonno]

[VZ_SS]

I kinda like the idea, if you have the cash and skills, give it a go. Can't make a commodore handle any worse...

[Drawnnite]

Buy a WRX and put CHEVY badges on it?

Actually no, don't do that.

Fixed it for you. =P

oh and some food for though.
The Coupe 4 AWD had a lesser power output then other HSV's using the same motor due to some restrictions on i believe the echaust caused by the AWD setup.