Exhaust Systems
Hey guys,
Posting a thread about exhausts to see what everyone reckons. Its moreso for a bit of help, and to get some opinions.
Putting an exhaust system on an E1 Clubsport, and not quite sure what to use. I've heard so many different things, from performance places, exhaust places, wholesalers, car savvy friends, and everyone seems to think so many different things. Basically i just wanting some opinions from people who know about exhausts and people who've got exhausts and to hear there opinion.
Don't really want to use X-Force as they are chinese i believe, and i've heard a fair few average sounding cars with X-Force systems on them.
Manta i believe are very good quality, but after doing some work at a performance shop that only use them, i was quickly turned off them by the sound. To me, they sounded too much like they were trying to be a V8 supercar, or a race car. I found they aren't deep, throaty, or like a real V8. Loud and not at all tinny, but i found they just weren't nearly deep enough or "V8-ish".
Heard mixed about Di Filippo, they are one of the brands im leaning towards. I believe they are a bit deeper, and seem to be from cars i've heard. But i believe these are a little more expensive in general.
As far as i know Pacemaker are great quality, but again i've found they seem a little bit tinny (but thats only hearing a few, so im not totally sure about them).
Haven't heard much about KPM, but heard they are quite good?
Or, is it worth going for a custom system? I've heard an E1 (but with an LS3, as oppose to LS2) that had straight through pipes to the rear mufflers, and that sounded quite nice.
I'm mainly wanting this for the sound, not going berserk with any mods, just want it sounding nice.
Thanks guys, opinions and help will be greatly appreciated.
I have Di Filippo I reckon they sound good have a look at ths episode of Oz garage Oz Garage Season 2 - Episode 9 - Exhausts on Vimeo they fit a 3inch to a senator you will get to hear it at the end when they drive out of workshop
KPM are also highly recommended
straight through systems with pacemaker headers and minimal mufflers and hiflow cats are good for a throaty sound. two small mufflers right at the back normally works well but im not too savvy with the brand names. i would go the custom set up but its a heck of a lot easier if you can have a good relationship with the guy who is buillding it so you know he is not just pissing in your pocket. word on the street is a small cross pipe just behind the cats is helpful.
Cammed & Eventualy Blown!
KPM ftw not sure if they have systems for the vz tho? (assuming its for your vz)
It says its for an E1 clubsport, but like you I got confused aswell had to have a second look because his ride is a VZSS?Originally Posted by WogBoyz
Yeah sorry guys, i know i have a VZ SS, but its for my mum's E1 clubby. (yes... my mother owns a better car than me haha)
I find a lot of the new V8's don't sound as deep as old V8's... Is this cause of the engine itself or the exhaust? Used to have a VP SS with an exhaust, was a custom cat-back with SV5000 muffler and hot dog i believe, and that was deep as hell. Do hot dogs make THAT much of a difference, or did the 5L's just generally sound better or? More after that deep old school chunky V8 sound.
So they've used Di Filippo stuff have they mate? That doesn't sound too bad. Thanks mate
its because of all the emissions control BS they have to put on it from the factory and the fact that its all fuel efficient injection instead of big carbys pumping fuel in. if i was a car built today my theme song would be fuel by metallica: "give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which i desire" etc....
Good old Aussie 5.0 litre sounds awesome I agree! Everyone you talk to rave about that old school sound, you will be hard pressed to replicate that sound on a LSX motor.
But LS3 with a Di Filippo exhaust sounds better! but I am biased
Haha yeah.
Also, i've heard videos on youtube of VCM and DuSpeed exhausts. I know these are both very well known for their OTR's, but never really heard much on their exhausts. Honestly wasn't really aware they made them haha. Both sound very nice though, anyone have any knowledge about these? Cheers
i have ceramic coated tri y headers, hi flow metal cats and a twin 3 inch mandrel system and its all stainless on my 5.7 and i think it sounds awesome, and i made a very noticable difference to the power as well. it does sound a little bit tinny but i kinda like that especially when it burbles on over run. when i got it the bloke said that the stainless gives it the tinny sound. i'll make a vid of it soon and put it up.
Who wants chowder?
Is the car lowered?
Make sure you also take into account the ground clearence. Difilipo systems are very good but don't tuck up as well as some others so you get a bit of scraping. Mine is a KPM and it's an excellent note BUT, if you plan on camming it down the track choose your KPM wisely. 2.5" systems slc mufflers don't like the cams, as i and a few others here have found out, no such problem with the 3" system. otherwise, they're very hard to beat note wise imo.
Another one which gets a very good rap is hurricane. Best to see what Not an abba fan has to say when he stumbles on this thread when it comes to hurricane, manta etc.
Obviously Unsensible
i know someone with with a system as follows(capslock because i cannot be bothered uncapsing)
i believe it is still on the car. (its now i believe a 7L Ls2... well it started as a 6L anyway)FULL DIFILIPPO 3 INCH EXHAUST WITH 1&7/8 FRONT PIPES
sounds amazing (think of a 350 boat noise.. that really deep unsuspecting sound)
but it is pretty highly modified. (doesnt look it though)
how about we make the pedals out of sticky rubber and the shoes with steel spikes. at least my shins would like that
Nah its not lowered matey.
Yeah i've already spoken to him, he only does manta exhausts, and i don't want manta. It probably wont get cammed either, thats highly unlikely.
Aren't hurricane a cheap P.O.S brand though?
Alright folks. After doing a little bit of research, listening to things, and finding things pricewise etc. Im down to a few.
Di Filippo
Pacemaker
VCM (not sure about this one tho)
Magnaflow
What are everyones thoughts?
Exhaust Guru
I do MagnaFlow as well and they don't do a bolt on for the VE.
Like I said previously, I am surprised you don't like Manta as they are one of the deepest and best sounding systems. Once you start chopping them up and changing things though, their characteristics change.
Are you sure mate? I've found them on "bestmufflers.com" and ebay... :S
Yeah i worked at Active Automotive here in perth for a bit mate, and they only use Manta, and day after day i heard holdens with Manta systems and was disappointed by everyone of them.
Exhaust Guru
Ahh OK. That MagnaFlow system is the one made for the Pontiac GTO for the American market. Still fits the Aussie VE I believe, but only with stock manifolds and cats.
I suppose it depends on what you want it to sound like and what you are comparing it to. It will never sound like an old school 308 or Ford 351, and just about all systems will sound the same on a VE. Big primary extractors and high flow cats will make it louder and big mufflers on the rear will make it deeper. Probably the best deep sounding exhaust would have to be 1 7/8" primary headers, at least 200 cell cats and a twin 3" with front muffler, not straight through pipes.
Yeah i know what you mean mate. I'm trying not to compare it to other things, as i know you can't replicate exhaust sounds on different engines.
At the moment i think its just gonna be a cat back, so that wont be an issue.
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