Ask The Copper

[Trayner]

What happens to the old divvy vans when they stop useing them?

i would like know too , would make a mad "pannel" van type ute

[RandyMarshx]

What happens to the old divvy vans when they stop useing them?

Take off the divy van bit and sell them as a ute, my cousin has one.

[Trayner]

Take off the divy van bit and sell them as a ute, my cousin has one.

I meant like keep the back bit and it would be sweet

[RandyMarshx]

I meant like keep the back bit and it would be sweet

Yeh but I dont think the coppers or who ever sells them, includes that canopy.

[doccortex]

here here well said

[Kieran263]

Hey does anyone know the fine for overloading your car with passengers in victoria?

[Delish-VY]

Hey does anyone know the fine for overloading your car with passengers in victoria?

Wouldn't it make sense to just...not overload your car and not have to worry about it?, I remember about 2 years ago an XR6 P Plater with 8 people in it was drag racing on plenty rd and they wrapped it around a pole...there are limits on these kinds of things for a reason, Excess people can cause massive distractions to the driver and they won't be correctly restrained in any seats/boot (yes people ride in boots)...and the back of utes , seen alot of stupid sh** in only my 23 years.

[Pickle']

Double post.

[Pickle']

Wouldn't it make sense to just...not overload your car and not have to worry about it?, I remember about 2 years ago an XR6 P Plater with 8 people in it was drag racing on plenty rd and they wrapped it around a pole...there are limits on these kinds of things for a reason, Excess people can cause massive distractions to the driver and they won't be correctly restrained in any seats/boot (yes people ride in boots)...and the back of utes , seen alot of stupid sh** in only my 23 years.

Know a guy that was being fully sick in his VN, had 2 people in the boot and 7 in the car. Ran straight in to a telegraph pole in an industrial area. Could have been a lot worse then it was.

Hey does anyone know the fine for overloading your car with passengers in victoria?

Im with Delish - Why would you ask before doing it. Im sure it would be cheaper to shout a cab for the extra people then to cop the fine.

Its also kind of one of those things that you just can't miss. kind of hard to hide 2 extra people in the back seat.

[dumpedvs]

Hey does anyone know the fine for overloading your car with passengers in victoria?

Who says he is going to be putting people in the boost? Maybe he just wants to take one extra passenger.
Or he is just curious, no need to jump down his throat.

[Pickle']

Who says he is going to be putting people in the boost? Maybe he just wants to take one extra passenger.
Or he is just curious, no need to jump down his throat.

Who jumped down his throat?

[Delish-VY]

Wasn't jumping down his throat, but the way he asked it...you could tell where he was going with it.

[STEEV888]

i know for a fact this has been asked before, but im going to ask it again.

in this day and age with everything they have on their cars/bikes.
is an officer able to give you a speeding ticket because he guesed that i was speeding by a certain amount ?

he did not have any equipment on his bike and openly admitted that to me..

[Delish-VY]

Fairly certain most cops can check speed against their own speedo's and that's good enough, if he followed you while you were speeding n kept the same speed you might not have much of a case.

[madsav]

you can fight it in court mate, throw a tennis ball at the wall and say how fast was that going? same deal regardless of what others might say the cop was guessing so in court he will lose. and then you can claim for wages off work etc for time lost due to his mistake.

[Parabola]

yeah you should of asked for evidence that you were speeding.

[m1lky]

Fairly certain most cops can check speed against their own speedo's and that's good enough, if he followed you while you were speeding n kept the same speed you might not have much of a case.

This method will hold up (in nz anyway) but they have to follow you for at least a k and fine you at minimum speed you did. Apparently there speedos are regularly calibrated. Assuming motorbike not push bike.

[STEEV888]

well he was just going in the opposite direction. i passed him on a narrow bridge. it was just short of a speed camera i have been through over 3000 times and there was no way i was going to speed through a camera i ended up pulling over underneath the camera as it was the only shoulder on the road i was traveling on.

if i lose in court its a 2.2k fine. pretty annoying i must say, i have never had to deal with anything like this and i dont know anybody in real life that has also so not sure what to do.

[Delish-VY]

You must have been hammering pretty hard for him to have turned around to pull you over, how much did he fine you for?

[STEEV888]

>20 but less than 30. $371 and 4 points.

[m1lky]

Were you defiantly under the limit when he was following you?

[MikeCuzzy]

As I understand it, in NSW, a Police Officer doesn't even have to look at their speedo, they can simply estimate the speed you are travelling and issue book you based on that. The only evidence I have of that is a 2003 report on speed enforcement:

Traffic infringement notices for travelling in excess of legal speed limits (or speeding fines) can be issued
following detection of excess speed in a number of ways: from stationary radars (including speed cameras);
through laser speed testing (LIDAR); from vehicle mounted radars in police cars – which can operate
whether the police car is moving or stationary; from speed checks using a police car speedometer; and from
an estimate of speed.

http://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/publicati...ng%20fines.pdf

I think there's a couple of factors to consider before you think about going to court, and information we need to know before making any kind of assessment.

1) It will be your word against his.
2) The speed limit in that location, if it's a 50 zone say, he's assuming you're doing AT LEAST 70kph which is a big difference. Unless you were absolutely positive you were doing the limit or below - I wouldn't bother.
3) Your previous driving record will be a deciding factor I'd think, if you've never been pinged for anything, it will most likely increase your chances.
4) You're speedo need only be accurate to 10% over 40kph, but if your car has rims that are too big, or massive tyres, it can throw that out somewhat - which will further damage your chances.

Based on only what you've said, *so far*, you've not got much hope simply because police are deemed as expert witnesses. You'd do well to get some actual legal advice and see what the precedent is here.

[Kieran263]

Wasn't jumping down his throat, but the way he asked it...you could tell where he was going with it.

You have no idea where I was going with it. I want to know what the fine is for overloading with passengers in victoria because the only time I
consider overloading is when my friends need a lift home from a club and there's more of them than seats in my car, this way I can warn them how much
it could cost them when they have to pay the fine.
So if anyone has an actual answer and won't assume I'm a mindless hoon, any idea would be great.

[aaronevolution]

You have no idea where I was going with it. I want to know what the fine is for overloading with passengers in victoria because the only time I
consider overloading is when my friends need a lift home from a club and there's more of them than seats in my car, this way I can warn them how much
it could cost them when they have to pay the fine.
So if anyone has an actual answer and won't assume I'm a mindless hoon, any idea would be great.

It's 3 points and $360.

Tell your mates to get their own car.

Clubs are gay.

[strgas]

You have no idea where I was going with it. I want to know what the fine is for overloading with passengers in victoria because the only time I
consider overloading is when my friends need a lift home from a club and there's more of them than seats in my car, this way I can warn them how much
it could cost them when they have to pay the fine.
So if anyone has an actual answer and won't assume I'm a mindless hoon, any idea would be great.

At the end of the day your the driver of the overloaded vehicle and therefore responsible for your passengers in your car at the time are your friends going to share the dermit ponits that come with the fine and give you a lift if you lose your licence ?