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[Astranomical]

Here's a very rough diagram of where both cars were at the time of the impact (attached to this post)

[STEALTHY™]

Here's a very rough diagram of where both cars were at the time of the impact (attached to this post)

He's totally in the wrong
Not sure if you can overtake at an intersection like that or not, but you definitely can't just drive into a car thats in front of you.

[Ace_VP]

hey, do cops often do burnouts in their cop cars???
i remember about 10 years ago when the VP's were cop cars and in the old marion shopping center in adelaide here over the back fence on the oval of the old marion high school, i think it was. i was at the back of the building later at night when we saw this car doing donuts on the old oval. on closer look it was a cop car doing it.
they were chasing nothing we could see, just doing donuts on the grass, about 5 circles worth of them then took off.

cops do stupid things like everyone else so most likely. Most of them do the right thing, cause just like those who arent cops they do get in trouble for breaking traffic laws. Matt

[TVR-190]

cops do stupid things like everyone else so most likely. Most of them do the right thing, cause just like those who arent cops they do get in trouble for breaking traffic laws. Matt

They are entitled to their fun just like everyone else, they rolled a paddywagon here not long ago with 7 of them in, decided to play corners and it didnt end well.

[Ace_VP]

They are entitled to their fun just like everyone else, they rolled a paddywagon here not long ago with 7 of them in, decided to play corners and it didnt end well.

yeah i read that, a ford ranger, they dont like to corner quickly. I stand by the theory that if i am going to give someone a ticket for doing something wrong then I would be a hypocrit if I then go out and do it. Going code red to a job lights and sirens is when you get the speed out of your system, then the rest of the time you just take it easy and watch the world go by.

[VY_utester]

Anyone know the legalities of fiberglass bonnets??

[TVR-190]

yeah i read that, a ford ranger, they dont like to corner quickly. I stand by the theory that if i am going to give someone a ticket for doing something wrong then I would be a hypocrit if I then go out and do it. Going code red to a job lights and sirens is when you get the speed out of your system, then the rest of the time you just take it easy and watch the world go by.

You are an officer mate?

Stationed at Bathurst?

[nemesis_adrasteia]

Anyone know the legalities of fiberglass bonnets??

as far as i know they are illegal on road cars something to do with crumple zones. could be wrong though.

[Ace_VP]

You are an officer mate?

Stationed at Bathurst?

Yes mate, only been in the job 10 months, was a teacher near Lithgow before that.

Where in NSW are you?

[TVR-190]

Cronulla. But I like Bathurst, need to go out for another cruise around the track.

[Ace_VP]

Cronulla. But I like Bathurst, need to go out for another cruise around the track.

Give me a yell when you do, im keen to check your Calais out, its a tidy vehicle, and putting faces to names always makes chatting on a forum more enjoyable.

Matt

[RichoKidd]

Burnouts on private property, That isn't illegal is it?
As far as I knew if it was private property it was fine for you to "hoon" around. The reason I'm bringing this up is because a few weeks ago I had a few mates over and we were doing doughies, on gravel, on my property. Someone informed the fuzz & they turned up to the house asking whats going on. I told them exactly what we we're doing, and that it was my place. They looked confused as to why they had been called out on such a call. They took my details and left.

Is it normal for police to attend a call when they have no real reason to?

[TVR-190]

Burnouts on private property, That isn't illegal is it?
As far as I knew if it was private property it was fine for you to "hoon" around. The reason I'm bringing this up is because a few weeks ago I had a few mates over and we were doing doughies, on gravel, on my property. Someone informed the fuzz & they turned up to the house asking whats going on. I told them exactly what we we're doing, and that it was my place. They looked confused as to why they had been called out on such a call. They took my details and left.

Is it normal for police to attend a call when they have no real reason to?

Well if its considered a noise complaint then they can, perhaps the informant didnt give them very good details of what was going on.

[smokyJ]

Here's a very rough diagram of where both cars were at the time of the impact (attached to this post)

Was it single or double lane in your direction?

[Ace_VP]

Burnouts on private property, That isn't illegal is it?
As far as I knew if it was private property it was fine for you to "hoon" around. The reason I'm bringing this up is because a few weeks ago I had a few mates over and we were doing doughies, on gravel, on my property. Someone informed the fuzz & they turned up to the house asking whats going on. I told them exactly what we we're doing, and that it was my place. They looked confused as to why they had been called out on such a call. They took my details and left.

Is it normal for police to attend a call when they have no real reason to?

It is not illegal to do burnouts and 'circle work' on private property. Most traffic offences must be committed on a road/road related area in order for it to be an offence, private property does not come under the definition of a road or road related area.

But, and there is always a but, if someone is killed or injured as a result of this behaviour it does not have to be committed on a road or road related area and can be investigated accordingly. This is because some offences that can be committed on roads are not covered under traffic legislation and are covered under the Crimes Act relevant to each state. If someone is killed or injured vehicles become exhibits and the private land where it occured becomes a crime scene. Once the investigation is complete criminal charges can be laid, not a ticket.

As TVR-161 said they can tell you to knock it off if a neighbour is being bothered by the noise, if you continue this you can be issued with a noise abaitment direction to not emit any further 'offensive noise' and if you fail to comply with this you get a fine. Matt

[Ace_VP]

Anyone know the legalities of fiberglass bonnets??

Technically, according to the definittion of a defect is anything that has been modified outside of the manufacturers standard specs. If this is adhered to by the letter then any modification is a defect. Having said this police have discretion and they use it. Im not going to tell you that they are legal because technically they aren't but whether you get a defect for having one would depend heavily one the rest of your car and its legality, your driving attitude (do you draw attention to yourself) and your attitude should you be pulled over.

Matt

[RichoKidd]

Another question. Was watching "Send in the Dogs" and a bloke got sniffed for weed. He said "I just had a joint" and got searched and found nothing so no charges were laid. That show is obviously made in the UK but whats the law on weed in Australia. If you get caught with it is it jail time? What if they find it in your car? Car get impounded?

Just out of curiousity of corse

-RichoKidd

[Ace_VP]

Another question. Was watching "Send in the Dogs" and a bloke got sniffed for weed. He said "I just had a joint" and got searched and found nothing so no charges were laid. That show is obviously made in the UK but whats the law on weed in Australia. If you get caught with it is it jail time? What if they find it in your car? Car get impounded?

Just out of curiousity of corse

-RichoKidd

'Weed' is a prohibited drug in Australia, it can be prescribed by a doctor as a medication for some illness' but thats rare. As a result of this you get charged and depending on your history drugs you may get gaol time, for one joint I highly doubt it unless you had been caught on several occasions before.

In NSW if you admit to the offence, the amount found on you is under 15 grams and you are over 18 you are entitled to a Cannabis Caution for the first 2 offences, but it is upto the police officer that stops you.

If the police officer wishes to charge you and send you to court they do that and a court decides your penalty. As a said gaol is in extreme circumstances or if you are a habitual offender.

As for finding drugs in your car the same thing goes, its deemed to be in your possession unless you can prove otherwise. I highly doubt they would impound your car unless you broke a relevant traffic offence which led to you being stopped in the first place.

Matt

[VicCop]

It is not illegal to do burnouts and 'circle work' on private property. Most traffic offences must be committed on a road/road related area in order for it to be an offence, private property does not come under the definition of a road or road related area.

But, and there is always a but, if someone is killed or injured as a result of this behaviour it does not have to be committed on a road or road related area and can be investigated accordingly. This is because some offences that can be committed on roads are not covered under traffic legislation and are covered under the Crimes Act relevant to each state. If someone is killed or injured vehicles become exhibits and the private land where it occured becomes a crime scene. Once the investigation is complete criminal charges can be laid, not a ticket.

As TVR-161 said they can tell you to knock it off if a neighbour is being bothered by the noise, if you continue this you can be issued with a noise abaitment direction to not emit any further 'offensive noise' and if you fail to comply with this you get a fine. Matt

However.... (here comes the powerful Victorian legislation) the offence of 'Drive in a Manner Dangerous' may occur anywhere. Out on the road or even in your own back yard. That's why VicPol refuses to given endorsements for so called 'hoon' facilities for people to go and "blow off steam". Even though they're in an enclosed track, it's still an offence.

There's other offences also, more criminal than traffic, such as 'Reckless Conduct Endangering Life/Injury'. Such offences you can be arrested where police have a straight up power to enter your private property without warrant, kicking in a door if required.

[STEALTHY™]

However.... (here comes the powerful Victorian legislation) the offence of 'Drive in a Manner Dangerous' may occur anywhere. Out on the road or even in your own back yard. That's why VicPol refuses to given endorsements for so called 'hoon' facilities for people to go and "blow off steam". Even though they're in an enclosed track, it's still an offence.

There's other offences also, more criminal than traffic, such as 'Reckless Conduct Endangering Life/Injury'. Such offences you can be arrested where police have a straight up power to enter your private property without warrant, kicking in a door if required.

I really lol'd. Take it to the track, so we can fine you there too.......

[GetToDaChopa]

What if its an unregistered car on the track extra fines.

[Ace_VP]

However.... (here comes the powerful Victorian legislation) the offence of 'Drive in a Manner Dangerous' may occur anywhere. Out on the road or even in your own back yard. That's why VicPol refuses to given endorsements for so called 'hoon' facilities for people to go and "blow off steam". Even though they're in an enclosed track, it's still an offence.

There's other offences also, more criminal than traffic, such as 'Reckless Conduct Endangering Life/Injury'. Such offences you can be arrested where police have a straight up power to enter your private property without warrant, kicking in a door if required.

Hence my second paragraph, i more meant to say offences committed in cars as opposed to on roads because when death etc is involved where it happens is irrelevant.

It is this reason that the investigation into the death of Ayrton Senna went on for years, had to be proven that it was just a freak accident and that someones negligence didnt cause it.

[Ace_VP]

What if its an unregistered car on the track extra fines.

Private enclosed facility, rego isnt required, although some facilities wont allow it, for things such as track days, if the car isnt rego'd

[VicCop]

Hence my second paragraph, i more meant to say offences committed in cars as opposed to on roads because when death etc is involved where it happens is irrelevant.

It is this reason that the investigation into the death of Ayrton Senna went on for years, had to be proven that it was just a freak accident and that someones negligence didnt cause it.

The coroner's inquest into that one would have been massive. Just like the one into Brock's death. I'd feel sorry for the copper who ended up with preparing the brief into that one.

[Ace_VP]

The coroner's inquest into that one would have been massive. Just like the one into Brock's death. I'd feel sorry for the copper who ended up with preparing the brief into that one.

Me to, its just unfortunate that human nature means that to feel better about something often the blame needs to be pointed at someone. The Senna one has only just concluded in the last couple of years.