Vehicle Modifications

[Shounak]

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

[STEALTHY™]

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Lets look at it this way. If i buy a red car from Holden, after it is not a new car coming out of the factory is it no longer red?

[Shounak]

Lets look at it this way. If i buy a red car from Holden, after it is not a new car coming out of the factory is it no longer red?

It's still red, but the car won't be judged by the same stringent standards by which Holden were judged when designing and releasing the car.

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It's still red, but the car won't be judged by the same stringent standards by which Holden were judged when designing and releasing the car.

Try arguing that point to such places as EPA, Vicroads, Engineers, Police etc.

The car HAS to stay ADR compliant, otherwise it isn't roadworthy.

[Shounak]

I'm not arguing, I'm just conveying an argument made to me and trying to assess its credibility. I can see how to some extent it might apply.

Has anyone got any literature stating that cars must always remain ADR compliant? Not Roadworthy compliant or anything else, but ADR.

[jules]

all states require the car continue to comply with the ADRs to which it was originally certified, or a later rule. it's in the rules.

some of the emissions regs only apply up to 80,000 km (and 5 years?) though.

[Sabbath']

This is what i think the person who was argueing that shounak talked to was meaning:


You buy a brand spanking VE from Holden. Its fully 100% compliant with every ADR under the sun that it needs to be.

A year down the track, there is an amendment to an ADR which the car was covered under, something small and petty, but all the same, the car you bought which was fully compliant, now is not complying with one or more ADR's.

[jules]

it only needs to comply with the ADRs in force when it was originally certified.

[STEALTHY™]

I'm not arguing, I'm just conveying an argument made to me and trying to assess its credibility. I can see how to some extent it might apply.

Has anyone got any literature stating that cars must always remain ADR compliant? Not Roadworthy compliant or anything else, but ADR.

I'll type it out for you (Excuse my lack of spelling and grammar, just finished a 14 hour shift after only getting 3 hours sleep)

Note 2:

Under the part, a Vehicle that is subject to ADRs when it is built or imported generally remains subject to the ADRs throughout its life. However, a vehicle need not comply with a standard if the standard is replaced by, or inconsistent with, a later standard and the vehicle complies with the later standard. Older vehicles may, therefore, be fitted with any equipment allowed on newer vehicles.

Vehicles that are modified must continue to comply with the Vehicle Standards.


(and a side note i thought i'd ad in)

ADRs do not cover
*Vehicles built before 1969
*Combination of vehicles of any age
*every safety feature for vehicles built between 1969 and 1988

[Commoler]

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Not true.
All cars need to be ADR compliant to the year they were manufactured.

[Commoler]

all states require the car continue to comply with the ADRs to which it was originally certified, or a later rule. it's in the rules.

some of the emissions regs only apply up to 80,000 km (and 5 years?) though.

Thats true! Why dont they enforce it??
Too hard maybe???

[jules]

most cops would find it difficult to memorise each version of the ADRs, each of which are probably at least 5000 pages of technical mumbo jumbo.

one thing it means is you can't put a 202 carby engine in a VE commodore, even if it runs really sweet. not sure why anyone would do that though.

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Links Updated.

[stock_vl]

just wondering what section a motorchange comes under?:S


for victoria or nsw either one, i live on border. what ever is cheapst

[grainqey]

download this: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...340/0/VSI8.pdf

read section 8 on page 3, clearly says "the overall diameter of any replacement rim and tyre must not be:

more than 15mm greater than largest diameter tyre specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that model or vehicle series;or

more than 15mm less than the smallest diameter tyre specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that model or vehicle series

theres more in there, but that pretty much sums up wheel diameter, go whatever diameter wheel you want, as long as the overall diameter isnt 15mm more or less than stock tyre diameters.

lmao!
this sounds very stupid from what some of the posts say...
no more than 15mm bigger than the biggest manufacturer recommended
wheel size?
im glad we dont have laws like that in the u.k
pretty much any size wheel within reason- basically anything that can be classed as safe for normal road use.

i have to say im quite jealous of austrailia though... you have proper commodores not a watered down "omega" with the biggest engine available being a v6

[TVR-190]

lmao!

i have to say im quite jealous of austrailia though... you have proper commodores not a watered down "omega" with the biggest engine available being a v6

Australia is just covered in bubble wrap these days, too many stupid laws.....

[Skooby]

The thing is modifying your car and doing it all "legal" will make it easier to clear a defect.

It will in no way stop you from getting a defect.

Police in NSW can defect you if they believe the vehicle to be un-roadworthy. It can be a dead stock car, and they can defect it.

You can fully legitimate engineer papers and they can defect it.

Police don't have to be able to prove that your vehicle is unroadworthy / doesnt comply with ADR's, they just have to reasonably suspect.

The thing is when they give you a defect, you cannot dispute it. You still have to go and stuff about to get it cleared and rectified.

Best thins is to have a GOOD attitude, that always helps.

[STEALTHY™]

The thing is modifying your car and doing it all "legal" will make it easier to clear a defect.

It will in no way stop you from getting a defect.

Police in NSW can defect you if they believe the vehicle to be un-roadworthy. It can be a dead stock car, and they can defect it.

You can fully legitimate engineer papers and they can defect it.

Police don't have to be able to prove that your vehicle is unroadworthy / doesnt comply with ADR's, they just have to reasonably suspect.

The thing is when they give you a defect, you cannot dispute it. You still have to go and stuff about to get it cleared and rectified.

Best thins is to have a GOOD attitude, that always helps.

Unless you deal with a motorbike cop, in which case, you wont leave without a defect.

[Tom_1569]

Unless you deal with a motorbike cop, in which case, you wont leave without a defect.

You have one of them to. We recently got a motorbike cop down here, Slapping canaries out left right and centre, so I made sure my car didnt leave the shed lol.
Apparently a real arsehole, but he seems to have moved on, was only in town for two or so weeks.

[STEALTHY™]

I'd have to say theres more than one, considering the 8 i saw at the servo heading towards the drags the last time they were run (years).


I'm not sure if i keep getting the same one, but 3 times i've been defected by bike cops. The only time the outcome has been as it should be was when i pulled into a bretho, and got a free inspection. Later finding that 3 corners of my car were legal height, yet it was level all the way around. The difference a piece of plastic makes....

[1991_Vn2nV]

I'd have to say theres more than one, considering the 8 i saw at the servo heading towards the drags the last time they were run (years).


I'm not sure if i keep getting the same one, but 3 times i've been defected by bike cops. The only time the outcome has been as it should be was when i pulled into a bretho, and got a free inspection. Later finding that 3 corners of my car were legal height, yet it was level all the way around. The difference a piece of plastic makes....

We have 60 bike cops in Adelaide. 30 based at Port Adelaide, 30 based at Holden Hill. All male too.

I swear 80% have mustaches as well. My defect isfrom a motorbike cop for 3mm too low at the rear left hand side only.

[rcnugget]

anyoen rememebr that show chips? lmao

[HotRodVT]

State by State rules STILL apply,T.A.C. is different in every state. This I know as an eX-T.A.C. advisor for Australian Street Rod Federation. :-)

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What the hell is a T.A.C advisor? Traffic Accident Commission?

[Ozzie]

great thread! very helpful