Vehicle Modifications

[Shounak]

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

[STEALTHY™]

Originally Posted by Shounak

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Lets look at it this way. If i buy a red car from Holden, after it is not a new car coming out of the factory is it no longer red?

[Shounak]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Lets look at it this way. If i buy a red car from Holden, after it is not a new car coming out of the factory is it no longer red?

It's still red, but the car won't be judged by the same stringent standards by which Holden were judged when designing and releasing the car.

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Originally Posted by Shounak

It's still red, but the car won't be judged by the same stringent standards by which Holden were judged when designing and releasing the car.

Try arguing that point to such places as EPA, Vicroads, Engineers, Police etc.

The car HAS to stay ADR compliant, otherwise it isn't roadworthy.

[Shounak]

I'm not arguing, I'm just conveying an argument made to me and trying to assess its credibility. I can see how to some extent it might apply.

Has anyone got any literature stating that cars must always remain ADR compliant? Not Roadworthy compliant or anything else, but ADR.

[jules]

all states require the car continue to comply with the ADRs to which it was originally certified, or a later rule. it's in the rules.

some of the emissions regs only apply up to 80,000 km (and 5 years?) though.

[BLK-SAB]

This is what i think the person who was argueing that shounak talked to was meaning:


You buy a brand spanking VE from Holden. Its fully 100% compliant with every ADR under the sun that it needs to be.

A year down the track, there is an amendment to an ADR which the car was covered under, something small and petty, but all the same, the car you bought which was fully compliant, now is not complying with one or more ADR's.

[jules]

it only needs to comply with the ADRs in force when it was originally certified.

[STEALTHY™]

Originally Posted by Shounak

I'm not arguing, I'm just conveying an argument made to me and trying to assess its credibility. I can see how to some extent it might apply.

Has anyone got any literature stating that cars must always remain ADR compliant? Not Roadworthy compliant or anything else, but ADR.

I'll type it out for you (Excuse my lack of spelling and grammar, just finished a 14 hour shift after only getting 3 hours sleep)

Note 2:

Under the part, a Vehicle that is subject to ADRs when it is built or imported generally remains subject to the ADRs throughout its life. However, a vehicle need not comply with a standard if the standard is replaced by, or inconsistent with, a later standard and the vehicle complies with the later standard. Older vehicles may, therefore, be fitted with any equipment allowed on newer vehicles.

Vehicles that are modified must continue to comply with the Vehicle Standards.


(and a side note i thought i'd ad in)

ADRs do not cover
*Vehicles built before 1969
*Combination of vehicles of any age
*every safety feature for vehicles built between 1969 and 1988

[Commoler]

Originally Posted by Shounak

I heard an interesting argument being made today. A guy was telling me that ADR's only apply to new cars, so Holden, Toyota etc have to be fully ADR compliant when bringing in a new model.

He said ADR's don't apply to cars that are already on the market. Ie. Cars already on the roads aren't judged by ADR's, so when it comes to cars already bought, ADR's are not relevant.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Not true.
All cars need to be ADR compliant to the year they were manufactured.

[Commoler]

Originally Posted by jules

all states require the car continue to comply with the ADRs to which it was originally certified, or a later rule. it's in the rules.

some of the emissions regs only apply up to 80,000 km (and 5 years?) though.

Thats true! Why dont they enforce it??
Too hard maybe???

[jules]

most cops would find it difficult to memorise each version of the ADRs, each of which are probably at least 5000 pages of technical mumbo jumbo.

one thing it means is you can't put a 202 carby engine in a VE commodore, even if it runs really sweet. not sure why anyone would do that though.

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