Commodores built in China .... What's your view ?

[Hairy Eater]

i was just reading in Fordfurums that a magazine said future commodores will be built in China.... i thought China believed in quanity more than they believe in quality ...

[KingDiamond]

China is up and coming in the car building industry.

I think a few well known brand cars are built there... Nissan, Benz Daimler Chrysler, Ford, Honda, and GM...

If you knew the country of origin for alot of things in your car, you'd be pretty amazed.

[vztrt]

The Commodore's that are gonna be built in China are for the Chinese market. The one's for Australia will still be built in South Australia.

[minux]

The Commodore's that are gonna be built in China are for the Chinese market. The one's for Australia will still be built in South Australia.

That is for now, within the next 20 years, i doubt australia will build here, it is just far too expensive.

[greenfoam]

China will be building cars in remote Africa by then (or getting Australians to build cars for them, lol) either way they will be a way bigger fish than us

[1991_Vn2nV]

Have you seen some of China's new carmakers?

Decent quality stuff. Italian design styling (bertone etc.), GOOD warranties... As in 10 year, 100,000 MILE warranties (not km's).

Best part... dirt cheap. In my opinion they're gonna take over the world.

[Pretender]

The Commodore's that are gonna be built in China are for the Chinese market. The one's for Australia will still be built in South Australia.

Using Chinese parts.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Using Chinese parts.

Which, unlike the aussie produced parts, have yet to cause any recalls, reworks or issues.

The parts are cheap generally because of cheap labour, not neccessarily because of poor quality.

[Pretender]

Which, unlike the aussie produced parts, have yet to cause any recalls, reworks or issues.

The parts are cheap generally because of cheap labour, not neccessarily because of poor quality.

As you said previously people would be surprised if they knew where the parts for their car are currently made.
China is the new force and there are far more car makers sourcing parts and production from China than many would know. At present, these car makers don't want their clients to know about it though.

[VS Omega]

Which, unlike the aussie produced parts, have yet to cause any recalls, reworks or issues.

Except for the seatbelts in VE's and WM's

Though I do agree Australian isn't that crash hot either, probably hundreds of Japanese cars which are superior in all ways except room and they would cost less to own/run (though getting parts for them is a pain)

[crazyspoon05]

Don't really see a problem with it myself considering BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc, etc all build a lot of their models in countries other than the manufacturers home countries

As long as it's decent quality then I'd have no dramas buying a Chinese built Holden

[Reaper]

Best part... dirt cheap. In my opinion they're gonna take over the world.

They will be the "cheap" manufacturer of the world for quite a while yet but not indefenatly (sp?). Take the case histories of Taiwan and Japan as just 2 examples. As their manufacturing took off, their population became more affluent and demanded a better standard of living which increased wages and manufacturing costs in those countries. Both are still big manufacturing nations (as % of GDP) but neither are perceived as "cheap".

China is currently only part way thru their development but eventually they will end up the same as the rest of the developed world. IMHO India will be the next powerhouse after China.

Reaper

[Cane_It]

As you said previously people would be surprised if they knew where the parts for their car are currently made.
China is the new force and there are far more car makers sourcing parts and production from China than many would know. At present, these car makers don't want their clients to know about it though.

there's a reason they dont want thier clients to know about it, thats because china is percieved by the rest of the world as a bunch of imitators and shonks and rightly so from a fair bit of what i've seen, India arent much different but they are from what ive seen improving in leaps and bounds, they will eventually shake their shoddy reputation if things keep going the way they are. AFAIK all the materials and part testing for aussie cars is done in Australia or the US as asian test results arent trusted by Holden / Ford, not sure of Toyota or MMAL except that if the mother plants in Japan say "jump" they say "how high"...

[Evman]

I very seriously doubt it'll happen. Ford was thinking of moving production offshore and got a juicy grant from the government. Could you imagine the job losses there'd be if Holden and/or Ford moved procuction overseas? Yeah it might be expensive, but the cost of losing credit like that, plus not really being an "australian" car anymore might be more expensive.

I'd only ever buy Australian. I'd happily buy a Falcon over anything built overseas, just because they're built here. Sure, they might source parts from overseas, but the root of the matter is, they're still manufactured here.

[vztrt]

That is for now, within the next 20 years, i doubt australia will build here, it is just far too expensive.

I'd be surprised if Ford or Holden will be building cars in 10 years time. GM has the plants ready in Korea for Holden and Ford has the plant ready in South Africa. But the design and engineering IMO will still continue in the country, you can see it being done at Ford with the Falcon, Territory, Icon (for the indian market) and the new Ranger ute (the new courior). Holden is also getting into it finally getting more input in the VE and the daewoos.

Using Chinese parts.

Yeah, and this is a surprise how. Unfortunalty the Toyota's here have more Aussie parts in them than the Commodore at the end of the day it's the bottom line that counts.

[Pretender]

Yeah, and this is a surprise how. Unfortunalty the Toyota's here have more Aussie parts in them than the Commodore at the end of the day it's the bottom line that counts.

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Are you asking how it is a surprise?

Many people would be surprised as to where their car's components are sourced, as per my previous post. The 380 and Aurion have more local content than Commodores but if you go by the actual components all three have very little Australian content.

[vztrt]

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Are you asking how it is a surprise?

Many people would be surprised as to where their car's components are sourced, as per my previous post. The 380 and Aurion have more local content than Commodores but if you go by the actual components all three have very little Australian content.

I was just trying to say that car companies look at the bottom line when sourcing parts. I work in the industry and you would be surprised which company has the most Australian content in their cars (or at least how "australian" content is measured).

[JD]

as long as holden doesn't get carried away and move a fair percentage of their operations in australia overseas i would be fine with it as its needs to establish its own reputation in the world car market as its only one of the few companies owned by GM that actually turns a profit.

[Pretender]

I was just trying to say that car companies look at the bottom line when sourcing parts. I work in the industry and you would be surprised which company has the most Australian content in their cars (or at least how "australian" content is measured).

Cheers and I agree about looking at the bottom line. Which car does actually have the most Australian content?
Officially it is the Aurion but I imagine it could actually be something like a Daewoo.

[harveyt]

China is up and coming in the car building industry.

I think a few well known brand cars are built there... Nissan, Benz Daimler Chrysler, Ford, Honda, and GM...

If you knew the country of origin for alot of things in your car, you'd be pretty amazed.

Actually VW as well...

[vt1538]

as long as holden doesn't get carried away and move a fair percentage of their operations in australia overseas i would be fine with it as its needs to establish its own reputation in the world car market as its only one of the few companies owned by GM that actually turns a profit.

They will have no choice but to move a high percentage of their operation overseas. When your average australian school leaver who cant even spell properly can expect to earn 40000 plus a year. We are pricing ourselves out of the market & it is all going to come to a head very soon.

[vztrt]

Cheers and I agree about looking at the bottom line. Which car does actually have the most Australian content?
Officially it is the Aurion but I imagine it could actually be something like a Daewoo.

Actually before the Aurion it was the Falcon but after the new model alot of parts will be bought in from overseas.

[Tree cutter]

They would want to be better than the crap tools China makes or nobody would be silly enough to buy them. Imagine a car that bent or broke the first time you use it, and it has shitty chrome that flakes off and cuts you . Wouldnt that be nice, we could call it the Holden Puss Box.

[chappy]

THIS IS A JOKE RIGHT?

Please tell me the Australian car is not going to be built in China.

More Australian job lost, where is this stupid government going to stop.

We are selling our country slowly day by day.

Whats next?

[vztrt]

THIS IS A JOKE RIGHT?

Please tell me the Australian car is not going to be built in China.

More Australian job lost, where is this stupid government going to stop.

We are selling our country slowly day by day.

Whats next?

Did you actually read the thread? No car coming into this country by GMH will be built there, GMH will export parts to there and it'll be built over there for that market, might even be semi-assembled cant remeber exactly.
As for the Chinese quality, they actually have better quality products (you have to pay for it) than what Australia can produce.

...and remember alot of stuff in your Holden has come from China!!