[1991_Vn2nV]

Originally Posted by vtdemon

The original shape WRX(pre bug-eye), although not as powerful, is usually a quicker car than newer WRX's, due to power/weight and all that. Auto WRX's are slower than manuals, but I don't care what you say I highly doubt a vn/vp would take one off the line, even though they don't boost up till around half way up the tacho, just the fact they are lighter and have a very responsive feel to them they should have no problem at all destroying one.

WRX's have actually weighed more than a VN/VP since atleast the 2001 model... And I still say a VN will take an auto WRX offline (to like 30 or 40km/h)... If anyone disagrees then find me someone with a WRX and I will prove it.

[burnz]

i don't know how a 240kw car is getting 190/200kw at the wheel's
somthings not right with the dyno's

as for wrx don't waste my time with them too slow.

[rb26dett]

I always thought that a WRX went pretty good for a 4.

[minux]

Originally Posted by burnz

i don't know how a 240kw car is getting 190/200kw at the wheel's
somthings not right with the dyno's

as for wrx don't waste my time with them too slow.

most LS1's dyno in at around 25-30 rwkw less then the true figure, however, as we know holden have really detuned the engines, after a quick tune and exhaust you all of a sudden have as much rwkw as the car come out of the factory with at the flywheel.

Standard loss is around the same for most cars.

[MBS206]

Originally Posted by burnz

i don't know how a 240kw car is getting 190/200kw at the wheel's
somthings not right with the dyno's

as for wrx don't waste my time with them too slow.

And you drive what, that goes how quick to say this?
And how much have you spent on the motor / driveline, compared to a stock WRX?

[1991_Vn2nV]

MBS206... Why dont you just go buy a WRX because it seems obvious where your loyalty lies...

[burnz]

Originally Posted by MBS206

And you drive what, that goes how quick to say this?
And how much have you spent on the motor / driveline, compared to a stock WRX?

ive had those and hosed those even sti's
and for the record the only car that does have a chance is an EVO (against LS1)

[burnz]

Originally Posted by minux

most LS1's dyno in at around 25-30 rwkw less then the true figure, however, as we know holden have really detuned the engines, after a quick tune and exhaust you all of a sudden have as much rwkw as the car come out of the factory with at the flywheel.

Standard loss is around the same for most cars.

it's that my vr lost 78kw (2speed auto/ford 9" ) (forced 5.0) sold 2 month's ago

[MBS206]

Originally Posted by 1991_Vn2nV

MBS206... Why dont you just go buy a WRX because it seems obvious where your loyalty lies...

I'm not a huge fan of the WRX, I'm looking at cold hard facts.

The WRX has a better power to weight ratio, it's AWD, and it runs a close ratio gearbox compared to a commodore.

As for only an EVO9 coming near an LS1...

I sold my VR V6 Manual as it was going to cost WAY too much to get to the standard that I wanted, I stepped into a R33 GTS-t, and it annhilates LS1. I've ran against a couple of cammed LS1s with exhausts and tuned.
They couldn't keep up, except for the spots I lost traction in...
Rolling run, at 100km/h, they still have no hope.

Be honest boys, go out, and REALLY give an import a hard caining (Drive one yourself) and you'll see, a WRX will anihilate a VN/VP off the mark, and the whole way down the 1/4 mile.
But, I will say, basically EVERY AWD car made, will loose on a rolling run to an equal powered, and even to slightly lower powered cars.

But after owning a VR commo, and being able to launch it drag style, and driving a WRX and launching it properly, and then owning my R33 and being able to launch it also, your VN/VP ain't going to keep up.


Edit: And with a touch of research you'll find VERY minimal power is lost through your driveline. Think about where that power (Energy) has to go. It's either in friction, which causes heat, or in sound. Drivelines aren't that noisy, nor does the oil boil within minutes. Do some math calcs.
After some reading on the net, it has been proven, the "energy" lost is in slip, on the dyno roller (Yes, it does occur, even on low powered cars) and also in turning the brakes on the chassis dyno etc...

[Spaced]

Originally Posted by MBS206

I'm not a huge fan of the WRX, I'm looking at cold hard facts.

The WRX has a better power to weight ratio, it's AWD, and it runs a close ratio gearbox compared to a commodore.

As for only an EVO9 coming near an LS1...

I sold my VR V6 Manual as it was going to cost WAY too much to get to the standard that I wanted, I stepped into a R33 GTS-t, and it annhilates LS1. I've ran against a couple of cammed LS1s with exhausts and tuned.
They couldn't keep up, except for the spots I lost traction in...
Rolling run, at 100km/h, they still have no hope.

Be honest boys, go out, and REALLY give an import a hard caining (Drive one yourself) and you'll see, a WRX will anihilate a VN/VP off the mark, and the whole way down the 1/4 mile.
But, I will say, basically EVERY AWD car made, will loose on a rolling run to an equal powered, and even to slightly lower powered cars.

But after owning a VR commo, and being able to launch it drag style, and driving a WRX and launching it properly, and then owning my R33 and being able to launch it also, your VN/VP ain't going to keep up.


Edit: And with a touch of research you'll find VERY minimal power is lost through your driveline. Think about where that power (Energy) has to go. It's either in friction, which causes heat, or in sound. Drivelines aren't that noisy, nor does the oil boil within minutes. Do some math calcs.
After some reading on the net, it has been proven, the "energy" lost is in slip, on the dyno roller (Yes, it does occur, even on low powered cars) and also in turning the brakes on the chassis dyno etc...

Mate I work with a subuaru addict and I mean addict this guy has three subaru's in his family drives in clubs and races them also. If you drop a WRX clutch at 7000 hell yeah you're going to kick ass in the launch but unless you like shelling out regulaly for new gearbox's or have 10k for a dog box you are not going to do this. The stress on the drive train and the gearbox from a 7000rpm launch is devistating. Also the gear change from first to second for the WRX is actually teribble. This is why the guy from work tells me if you're not in front before he's in second you have no chance. WRX will go to 160 and then run out of steam but that second change in stock gearbox's is terrible.

Unless you launch a WRX from a high RPM you're going to get a crap launch. So it's gearboxs and drivetrain parts vs slow launch.

And this is a forum so the only person to say end of story is the moderators

Also mate you said you drove a VR a VN and a VR have a totally different launch the VN will beat a VR and will even beat my VS off the line.


Hahahahahaha just read your quote your R33 kills LS'1s hahahahahahah that's gold mate. Well my mate used to regularly beat R33 and R34's in his 5L before the rebuild yet got beaten by LS'1s hahahahahahaha mate you've made my day I haven't heard anything funnier this week.

[minux]

Originally Posted by MBS206

I'm not a huge fan of the WRX, I'm looking at cold hard facts.

The WRX has a better power to weight ratio, it's AWD, and it runs a close ratio gearbox compared to a commodore.

As for only an EVO9 coming near an LS1...

I sold my VR V6 Manual as it was going to cost WAY too much to get to the standard that I wanted, I stepped into a R33 GTS-t, and it annhilates LS1. I've ran against a couple of cammed LS1s with exhausts and tuned.
They couldn't keep up, except for the spots I lost traction in...
Rolling run, at 100km/h, they still have no hope.

Be honest boys, go out, and REALLY give an import a hard caining (Drive one yourself) and you'll see, a WRX will anihilate a VN/VP off the mark, and the whole way down the 1/4 mile.
But, I will say, basically EVERY AWD car made, will loose on a rolling run to an equal powered, and even to slightly lower powered cars.

But after owning a VR commo, and being able to launch it drag style, and driving a WRX and launching it properly, and then owning my R33 and being able to launch it also, your VN/VP ain't going to keep up.


Edit: And with a touch of research you'll find VERY minimal power is lost through your driveline. Think about where that power (Energy) has to go. It's either in friction, which causes heat, or in sound. Drivelines aren't that noisy, nor does the oil boil within minutes. Do some math calcs.
After some reading on the net, it has been proven, the "energy" lost is in slip, on the dyno roller (Yes, it does occur, even on low powered cars) and also in turning the brakes on the chassis dyno etc...

Oh how i love coming up against your type at calder.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Also, theres an article around with a Mazda Speed6 pitted against a WRX, and the 0-40? i think it is... 2.0 seconds for the WRX to 1.6 for the Mazda... yet 0-100 the WRX is half a second quicker.... So take off is obviously NOT the WRX's strength, AWD or not.

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MBS206

I don't mind people challenging me at all but when you don't know what your talking about then telling people to shut up then it's on. The fact your talking about launching a wrx@7000rpm shows you don't know (sh!t)

[MBS206]

Pre 99 boxes will shatter at a 7000RPM launch yes,
MY06 STi box is nearly invincible... Why do you think so many people put them in the MY05 and MY06 WRX after a box break?

As for "your mate", I'll play that game all night long if you want.

I'll find a time, once I'm back on the road, and I'll meet some of you boys at WSID for some fun.

[1991_Vn2nV]

But we're not talking STi's, we are talking standard WRX's...

[AirStrike]

What was that about STi's?
Click here to see Video
Click here to see Video

[1991_Vn2nV]

Links aint working man.

[AirStrike]

Work fine here.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...2d01701c82.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f...3000f6a67a.htm

[1991_Vn2nV]

Edit just saw....

STi moves when it works... Not good when it dont though

[daron]

lol cool vids

[SICK SS]

Originally Posted by MBS206

Pre 99 boxes will shatter at a 7000RPM launch yes,
MY06 STi box is nearly invincible... Why do you think so many people put them in the MY05 and MY06 WRX after a box break?

As for "your mate", I'll play that game all night long if you want.

I'll find a time, once I'm back on the road, and I'll meet some of you boys at WSID for some fun.

just let the boys from ls1 forum no when you put the challange up you can take ur pick from 10 ,11,12 second ls1's

[walesy]

id have to agree after mates buyin ls1's and me having a 5ltr ive noticed how slow skylines are... i always thought they were quick but seems i was mistaken...skylines had no chance against my mates vt2 ls1 6spd and as for my mates vx r8 clubby well... what skyline?

[Spaced]

Originally Posted by MBS206

Pre 99 boxes will shatter at a 7000RPM launch yes,
MY06 STi box is nearly invincible... Why do you think so many people put them in the MY05 and MY06 WRX after a box break?

As for "your mate", I'll play that game all night long if you want.

I'll find a time, once I'm back on the road, and I'll meet some of you boys at WSID for some fun.

yeah the Ls1 boys will own you good and propper. Just cause you have a skyline doesn't make you the fastest car on the road. Just cause you own a v8 doesn't make you the fastest car on the road. The only fast skylines are the GT-R's that are stroked out to 2.9L just cause you own a GTS-T don't mean a thing it's still slower than a gT-R and a GT-R is slower than a stroked GT-R you starting to get the drift?

the only LS1's you've been beating have had 60 year olds behind the wheel. The ricer loser flyby doesn't count as a race.

[al99]

Originally Posted by SICK SS

just let the boys from ls1 forum no when you put the challange up you can take ur pick from 10 ,11,12 second ls1's

Can i play to?
Hardly anyone ever does cos they know they will get whipped lol
Guys this guy may have a quick gts-t with a big turbo running 2bar putting out 600 hp at the crank.
And theres going to be gen3's out there supercharged that are going to kick ass.
Nothing wrong with quick jap cars in my eyes, same as nothing wrong with a modded gen3

[al99]

Originally Posted by AirStrike

Work fine here.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...2d01701c82.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f...3000f6a67a.htm

Nothing wrong with the hard launching wrx in the 2nd video there champ