dyno results?

[wrc]

To any ppl on that WRX forum that may be watching, if any of you live in Adelaide with a stock WRX, I will be happy to prove my point. Join the site and pm me. Or, my email is holden_vn2nv@hotmail.com (preferrably auto )

Firstly, most WRX owners are not particularly concerned about about who is fastest over a 1/4 mile. It is but one aspect of a cars performance- at least to those with a WRX. Now, as for the misinformation about what is what, that might take a while. There are very few auto WRX's out there- so few, it is no longer available. While slow off the line, once going they are better than you think. So since almost all WRX's are manuals then that is really the norm, and therefore the car to be compared against.

I certainly do not do 7000 RPM launches and bang the clutch. But let's face it, Borg Waner T5's and their crummy diffs are not exactly bullet proof either. Quite frankly, if a V6 Commodore pulled up alongside me, I would not consider even trying. When I bought my WRX off my brother, we met up on the road- and he was in a Gen3 auto. By second gear he was 3 lengths behind. And autos are not exactly unusual for a Gen 3.

BUt as I said, being quick in a straight line is only part of the story. More significant are things like braking and cornering- areas of acute embarassment in Commodores, especially of this age. But this is where the enjoyment of driving is to be found. Maybe have a look at the a WRX Club or HSV website, and found out on which days they are supersprinting at the same track. Compare what has been done to the cars, then compare the lap times. Except for race specials brought in on trailers, it will be the WRX's and STI's that set the quickest times.

It is the same on the skidpan at Eastern Creek, the Holdens just do not come remotely close. And it is also the same in the dirt as well at Oran Park and other khanacrosses. And before turbos were banned from top level touring car racing, they were progressively handicapped because they also were much quicker than the Holdens.

yes, the V8's have plenty of grunt, but that has to to move quite a lot of weight these days, and can only be accessed on long straight roads above the speed limits. The commodore is therefore at its best as a long distance cruiser, where it is considerably better than a WRX.

My own experience with V6 Commodores is limited. My memory of a 50,00km VN was an extremely coarse, vibrating piece of junk. When i drove another, it was much the same. And it was so loose in the body, yet it drove like a barge. How could such a relatively new car be so rough? My VK Commodore i used for work when they first came out- and my dad had one at the same time- also had shocking brakes and no grunt. They are just very crude cars, with very old technology that everyone else got rid of years ago because so much became available that was far far better.

I got into a Toyota a couple of weeks back with 200,000 km's on it, and it was so smooth, so refined. And SO MUCH better than that VN with only 50,000 on it.

So i would not worry that a WRX driver did not wish to take you on, because not only is it quicker than your stock V6, it is quicker than your stock LS1 V8 as well. But for him, what really matters is it quicker everywhere else as well. And it does not leak oil or have anywhere near the number of things go wrong with it that a locally made car will.

Someone called the Jap cars rice. Well, from where I see it, there are any number of Commodores out there that are more ricey than my Jap car. Including one i see on this very thread.

But having said all of that, the Subaru and the Holden are not really comparable. If you have a family, and want something relatively cheap, that cruises really well, then a Holden or a Ford are pretty hard to beat. By being smaller, lighter, with AWD and enough power, the Subaru will be quicker, but less comfortable. That which makes the Holden bigger gives it certain virtues, but also works against it in other ways. And that is just down to physics and technology.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

hey wrc, i assume your of the other forum

lets keep this siverlised boys and girls,
im not going to say the other fourm as i dont want a huge bunch of jc members going and join it just to bag off the fourm.

in the short time i have been on it they have made me feel very welcome and have been huge help in awnsering my questions
so if you happen to stumble across the stie/fourm do not post it

any jc moderaters i would be very grateful if you would enforce something to stop people posting the sites sites details if they find it or have a consiquence.
they are very helpful and i would not like people heading to there site to bag them and stuff it up

[wrc]

I am not bagging out this forum. I have seen what you have posted, and I think that there are obviously people on this forum who are broadminded enough to accept that there are cars that are good that are not based on just the size of their engines. And i think the new VE Commodore is a damn hot looking motor car- better by far than any Impreza. And they have finally gotten around to putting some modern technology into it. Pity it is such a heavy bugger, and i hope the quality is good.

We need a local car industry for sure, but i still think it is the japs who understand quality better than anyone else. And in that regard, Subaru, Honda and toyota really are hard to beat.

But to just accept that a stock V6 Commodore could out launch a WRX is something I could not do. A standard MY99 WRX weighs about 1270kg, and had 160kw. I very much doubt that a VN/VP would weigh that much, and the stock V6 was good for around 130kw, the V8 165kw. I imagine the VN would weigh in at somewhere around the 1400-1450kg mark? Simple power to weight maths may not be the be all and end all, but it does count for a fair bit.

[SICK SS]

this is geting interesting on the www dot wrx dot com dot au

Removed link by Darren, we don't want to start fights now

[walesy]

haha good read... i dont care but... vn/p's are heaps of ****

[VL Berlina 5speed]

personally i am not very dam ****en happy about having the link posted to the site as i beleive a little bunch of some jc members will join there site and give them a baging or start a fight there.

i should of orignally posted say it was being watched but i thought i would say so yous could of got the idea that yous were being watched at what you were saying and views

in the last day i joined they have been of great help to me and i would strongly apretiate it if jc members didnt join to bag there cars or sites and also there views and opinions

[VL Berlina 5speed]

ive posted this on the other site

just to get it straight it is compaing a
stock wrx auto
vs
stock vn/vp auto

no saying but if we did this or that or if its auto or manual the final point is they are both stock and autos no if or buts,

ill do some searching and find out the exact details for both fourms

now im not intressted in what you vn or vp does im after factory times with the factory 14s on the car to

[walesy]

im not gunna bag them... they have a point... and they had to find the most riciest commo on the whole site... soryy vn2nv but it is, the wrx do launch good and they have 4wheel drive to help that so of course they are gunna flog a stock commo off the start, and most certainly around corners! i buy commodores not for the ability to do what wrx's do but for my personal driving style... i never even thought a commo would beat a wrx off the mark... skylines are another story... they are pretty weak against a v8 commo

[SICK SS]

i have no interest in joining there forum there giving poor old vn2nv a bashing

[1991_Vn2nV]

Ouch... something tells me they dont like me.

Point is... I made a statement that a VN would outlaunch a wrx. I am willing to try and back that statement up. If I lose, I will gladly eat my own words. If I make a statement I am willing to back it up, so lets see a WRX guy reading these threads do it for the WRX mob.

I didnt bag WRX's, I didnt bag anyones car. I just made a statement based on my opinions having driven both cars. A WRX will of course outperform a commodore, especially a V6. Of course a WRX will destroy a VN around corners and to 100km/h or down the quarter. But I stand by my original comment that launching to 30 or 40 a VN will have enough in it to hold off a stock WRX.

I've made my statements and am willing to back them up, now instead of sitting behind your computers, take my challenge and prove me wrong instead of sitting there insulting me and my car.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

well thank you sick ss for no joining im just hoping that other peopel will be like you and wont do anything and join it but just read

if dylan (vn2nv) dosent mind ill post his thread of his car in there to show its not all looks and style but has a bit of engine work too.



performance here we go. this is of redbook

VP Executive Sedan 4dr Auto 4sp 3.8i
Power:127kW @ 4800rpm 160kW @ 5600rpm
Torque: 293Nm @ 3600rpm-3600rpm
Kerb weight: 1301kg
Acceleration 0-100Km/h: 8.0 secs

S MY02 WRX Sedan 4dr Auto 4sp 4WD 2.0T
Power: 160kW @ 5600rpm
Torque: 292Nm @ 3600rpm-3600rpm
Acceleration 0-100Km/h: 7.1 secs

all i need is a factory clamed time for the vp exectuive and your awnser is their
also just to clear up why i chose these models
1, the vp motor is beter then the vn and quicker apparntly
2, its a my02 wrx as there was no auto my01s in the list
3, why i chose the 'bugeye' wrx (my01, my02) is because it was the slowest wrx to date (apparntly)
so the favour was still in on the vps side, if i used a diffrent wrx the time would be quicker and if i used the vn the time would be long, in both case favour the wrx

[1991_Vn2nV]

Factory claimed time is 8.0 seconds mate. 0-100 a WRX will beat a VN/VP no questions asked. Anytime, anywhere.

It is 0-40 I originally stated and thats what I want to see proved.

To clarify, the VN Series 2 had the VP engine and same factory time. Mine is a series 2. The VN series 1 had a factory time of 8.1 seconds.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

well then its pritty much case closed now,
the auto wrx will win

as for to 0-40km/h i find that quite a strange speed to compair with, sure i can state i can bet a wrx to 5km/h if i let my clutch go before him or her.

[1991_Vn2nV]

But thats what the argument is about. That a VN could outLAUNCH a wrx in auto form.. MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS:

"WRX's in auto form certainly are not as quick as people seem to think. The one I learnt to drive in (04 model) would be slightly slower than a VN/VP offline..Not much but it would be slower.
"

Thats what I said.. Thats it. The original argument was about daron outlaunching a WRX, a supercharged VT. I made that comment as a COMPARISON, but am still willing to TRY to back it up.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

But thats what the argument is about. That a VN could outLAUNCH a wrx in auto form.. MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS:

"WRX's in auto form certainly are not as quick as people seem to think. The one I learnt to drive in (04 model) would be slightly slower than a VN/VP offline..Not much but it would be slower.
"

Thats what I said.. Thats it. The original argument was about daron outlaunching a WRX, a supercharged VT. I made that comment as a COMPARISON, but am still willing to TRY to back it up.

so you didnt actually get to test side by side just by the felling you got there,
i dont know about you but when i drive diffrnt cars i get difrnt sences of speed like in my dads car when im doing 80km it would feel like doing 60 in my vl,
the cars change your sences,

i read before that you are willing to test it to see what would prevaile so the best bet is to find to stock cars both in stock form and meeting the criteria, but hat will be really hard to set up,

[1991_Vn2nV]

You find a stock auto WRX and I will pit my car against it. They say its the biggest hunk of **** they have ever seen, then let them prove it.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

yes but reamber its not your car where on about, i know your prides been hit hard but the compairson was of both stock cars, no aftermarket car parts or anything. so your car wouldnt be able to do it

[1991_Vn2nV]

I can get a stock VN to give it a shot.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

now i have a idea of how to get a wrx for the test but i cant as im still on my p's and if i asked ill get a strange look if i tryed getting it.

[walesy]

haha local subaru test drive?

[VL Berlina 5speed]

shusssssss

[al99]

Ouch... something tells me they dont like me.

Point is... I made a statement that a VN would outlaunch a wrx. I am willing to try and back that statement up. If I lose, I will gladly eat my own words. If I make a statement I am willing to back it up, so lets see a WRX guy reading these threads do it for the WRX mob.

I didnt bag WRX's, I didnt bag anyones car. I just made a statement based on my opinions having driven both cars. A WRX will of course outperform a commodore, especially a V6. Of course a WRX will destroy a VN around corners and to 100km/h or down the quarter. But I stand by my original comment that launching to 30 or 40 a VN will have enough in it to hold off a stock WRX.

I've made my statements and am willing to back them up, now instead of sitting behind your computers, take my challenge and prove me wrong instead of sitting there insulting me and my car.

Are u going to use your car or a vn/vp with a untouched motor? OR your own personalised car?

I think if u did a bit of research u may be able to come with some 0-40 times of the vn/vp and auto wrx's. Wheels magazines or motor would have them.

VL berlina 5 speed ur a sneaky one arent you
Enough mind games n trouble making for you today lol

[VL Berlina 5speed]

**mumbles 'yes sir' with his head down***

suposse i should head then work in the morning. ill be back tommorow

** trys flying of thinking his superman**

also al99 it wouldnt be his own car as it would void the orignal critria of being totaly stock and factory.
i totaly forgot about wheels mags doing the speeds from 0 to top in 10km increments, ill do the searching tomorow for the details of it then and then we should be happy with the awnsers

[hakhawk]

just a quick one, i popped over to that forum to have a read.

now, VL Berlina 5speed, just how far did you intend to crawl up their a sses?

seriously,

and the owners of thr v6 vn/vps on justcommodores you will relise they reckon they are the best of the best

they reckon they can beat v8s and some fours but in reality its just theyre ego beating them

you cant go round generalising like that, i for one know that my 2 vn's, my vp and dads vr wont outrun alot of cars, who cares.

give me a 98/99 suby hatch anyday, very nice car, but until i can afford one aswell, ill be happy in my "family car"(i also intend on having a family, so hey, least i get to keep my car!!)

theres plenty of tools in vl's that think theyre all that and a bit but do you see me going off to a mitsubishi forum and ranting on about their cars being soooo good and the vl's being a crap family car and the drivers thinking they can outrun every fluffy duck at the crossing?

walesy_5.0, you're exactly the bloody same, ffs if you dont like a car, dont look at it, pretend you never saw it, dont sign up to a forum to post about how **** it is.

[walesy]

well did you read my post??? what the hell does it matter if you out launch them to 5kms or not?? theyre gunna whip you anyway so whats the point? as i said on the wrx site to think a v6 or any stock commo for that matter to beat a wrx is laughable!!! and to the people who think they can beat a wrx or have a chance you just making the commodore comunity look like fools!