truth about VE rims..

[VNexecutive]

is it actually illegal to put VE rims on "earlier" models? i know they can be machined to fit, but is it illegal or not? and is it dangerous? i've done a search but didnt find any real answers.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Is there another model later than the VE?

[VNexecutive]

Is there another model later than the VE?

my bad. wasnt thinking. its changed now lmao.

[Cobez]

illegal?

why would it be?

[Reaper]

illegal?

why would it be?

In Victoria I think they would need to be as follows:

If the wheels were machined to correctly sit on the hub
The wheel nuts were also correct
Front track did not increase more than 25 mm
Live axle rear track does not increase more than 50mm
IRS rear track does not increase more than 25 mm
The wheel/tyre does not foul any part of the suspension/steering/brake components/body at any angle or steering or suspension position
The wheel is no more than 25mm greater than he widest wheel optioned for that particular model.
Rolling diameter may be no more than 15mm than the largest dia specified for that particular model.

This is a guide only. For full details refer to http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...340/0/VSI8.pdf (in Victoria) or your local roads authority.

Reaper

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

^^as reaper said!
in qld ANY replacement tyre whether from the same manufacturer or not cannot exceed 15mm the original tyre diameter period! the only exception (to my knowledge) is if the vehicle came from the factory with optional tyres and still the 15 mm applies to those tyres if you want to change to bigger rims.

[STEALTHY™]

He's talking about the rims, not the tyres.


Pauly stop being a little girl and just ask me on msn

You can't put VE rims onto older cars. There is a company however that makes VE style rims to suit VZ and earlier commodores. Google is your friend!

[VLDavo]

He's talking about the rims, not the tyres.


Pauly stop being a little girl and just ask me on msn

You can't put VE rims onto older cars. There is a company however that makes VE style rims to suit VZ and earlier commodores. Google is your friend!

you can put VE rims on older style cars .. about 3 days after the VE was released one of the calaisturbo boys had a set on his vlt..even though it was a cnnt to do so

but as u have already mentioned u can buy em to suite vz or earlier so y bother going for genuine

[Reaper]

He's talking about the rims, not the tyres.

They are inter-related.

Reaper

[STEALTHY™]

you can put VE rims on older style cars .. about 3 days after the VE was released one of the calaisturbo boys had a set on his vlt..even though it was a cnnt to do so

but as u have already mentioned u can buy em to suite vz or earlier so y bother going for genuine

Anything is possible with cars.


They didn't just bolt them up tho, the wheel studs are spaced differently, so they don't physically fit if you just put them on, aswell as it was said the older models axles studs aren't strong enough to hold the wheels.

[VTSPACK]

Why would it be illegal. Is it same sort of illegalness as having 19" on my VT??

[Reaper]

Why would it be illegal. Is it same sort of illegalness as having 19" on my VT??

Uhhh as stealthy wrote in the post directly above yours - THEY DON'T PHYSICALLY FIT!

Reaper

[Reaper]

Anything is possible with cars.

They didn't just bolt them up tho, the wheel studs are spaced differently, so they don't physically fit if you just put them on, aswell as it was said the older models axles studs aren't strong enough to hold the wheels.

Wheel studs have a different PCD or just thread? (I thought it was a different thread but that is 2nd hand info).

My understanding with wheels is that the axles hubs were designed to take the weight/associated heavy loads and the wheel studs were there for nothing more than to stop the wheel falling off the hub and side loads. They are not designed to take the vehicle weight etc. I assume this is what you meant?

Reaper

[STEALTHY™]

Wheel studs have a different PCD or just thread? (I thought it was a different thread but that is 2nd hand info).

My understanding with wheels is that the axles hubs were designed to take the weight/associated heavy loads and the wheel studs were there for nothing more than to stop the wheel falling off the hub and side loads. They are not designed to take the vehicle weight etc. I assume this is what you meant?

Reaper

Yeah thats what i was getting at. But i'm going on 2nd hand info, i have never seen either personally (besides VL and VP, as thats the only cars i have had)

I'm was thinking that the studs are thicker, but i would assume the thread would be the same. To Paul, just google it, and i think its wheel king that make the copies (well, distribute them, not make them) and they had all the technical info about why you can't use normal VE wheels.

[STEALTHY™]

oh so your the guy reffered to as 'from calais turbo' that did it when they came out.

Does that mean they still bolt up the same?

[VZTHUNDER]

they arent VE wheels mate
they are from a VZ

[adam69]

I have seen a VT with 19in VE rims on it.have seen it twice in the last week.I thought you only had to machine the hub out so it sits on the bigger hub of earlier cars.

[STEALTHY™]

I have seen a VT with 19in VE rims on it.have seen it twice in the last week.I thought you only had to machine the hub out so it sits on the bigger hub of earlier cars.

They make copies for early models now. That VT probably has those. Why would anyone in their right mind modify the hubs, when some people change their rim choice more than their underwear. It would make more sense to pay less money and get the copys, than to modify your hubs and have to get stock ones again to fit other wheels.

[Reaper]

Yeah thats what i was getting at. But i'm going on 2nd hand info, i have never seen either personally (besides VL and VP, as thats the only cars i have had)

I'm was thinking that the studs are thicker, but i would assume the thread would be the same. To Paul, just google it, and i think its wheel king that make the copies (well, distribute them, not make them) and they had all the technical info about why you can't use normal VE wheels.

If I get bored on the weekend I'll pull a wheel off the VE and compare it to the VN I have out front.

Reaper

[VN_Luke]

the center needs to be machined to suit the earlier hubs.

the VE wheel studs are thicker (by 2mm from memory?) than the early girls.

you could either

1) Re-drill the wheel stud holes on your car, and fit new, thicker studs (though this will mean that you will not be able to fit earlier wheels again)

2) find a suitable size bit of steel tube to slide in between the stud and the wheel to fill in the spacing, keeping in mind not to interfere with the chamfer of the wheel nuts.

3) machine the wheel-nut chamfer off the VE wheels, so that you can use one of the older-style mag wheel nuts with the sleeve that goes around the outside of the wheel stud.

.... I'm not sure how any of these options effect the stress/load excerted on the wheel/wheelnuts/hubs etc... so that's something that needs to be taken into consideration.

so far a friend of mine has put VE wheels onto a VY. He's machined the centers to fit the hub, and last I heard was planning on doing option 2. - The wheels have not fallen off as yet.

[Sedat]

There is a VR/VS on carsales atm that has VE SS rims on it

[Reaper]

Ok - curiosity got the better of me and I took a look at the SS-V wheels.

the center needs to be machined to suit the earlier hubs.

I haven't checked that for sure but it looks like that is the consensus of the masses.

the VE wheel studs are thicker (by 2mm from memory?) than the early girls.

Had a quick look and the wheel nuts are definitely bigger.

you could either

1) Re-drill the wheel stud holes on your car, and fit new, thicker studs (though this will mean that you will not be able to fit earlier wheels again)

Assuming there are no other clearance & size/track etc issues this is the best answer here.

2) find a suitable size bit of steel tube to slide in between the stud and the wheel to fill in the spacing, keeping in mind not to interfere with the chamfer of the wheel nuts.

Probably the worst option. The VE SS-V wheel has the stud holes tapered all the way to the mounting face. You would have to machine the same taper onto your sleeve and then press it into the wheel. Overall a messy solution.

3) machine the wheel-nut chamfer off the VE wheels, so that you can use one of the older-style mag wheel nuts with the sleeve that goes around the outside of the wheel stud.

Could work but you would also need to drill out the wheel nut holes to suit the wheel nuts. Once again a messy solution when you can buy after-market wheels that look exactly the same, have the correct dimensions and are at a cheaper price.

.... I'm not sure how any of these options effect the stress/load excerted on the wheel/wheelnuts/hubs etc... so that's something that needs to be taken into consideration.

so far a friend of mine has put VE wheels onto a VY. He's machined the centers to fit the hub, and last I heard was planning on doing option 2. - The wheels have not fallen off as yet.

From this thread I suspect that none of the above (Besides the machining of the hub) are carried out and in short I would not drive a non VE with these wheels fitted and hope none of those cars are on the roads around me.

Reaper

[Cobez]

oh i thought he meant because they were simply VE wheels that it would be illegal to put them on an earlier model car

i always though you werent allowed over 2" larger than factory size for your model.........

eg: 15" factory ---> max 17" wheels

[Reaper]

oh i thought he meant because they were simply VE wheels that it would be illegal to put them on an earlier model car

i always though you werent allowed over 2" larger than factory size for your model.........

eg: 15" factory ---> max 17" wheels

No. That rule went out (in Victoria) years ago. Refer post 5.

Reaper

[STEALTHY™]

I don't see the difficulty in, searching google for the company that makes them, and getting the VE style wheels to suit early model commodores. Theres not a better or cheaper option, they cost the same, but you don't need to modify anything else.