Needed, A thread on Gas conversion on the forum

[veeque92]

Hi all. Just putting my thoughts up that we need a thread with as much info as possible for doing LPG conversions onto various Holdens.


I try doing the search and it comes up with nothing.
I spend hours looking on the net and still find a whole lot of nothing.

Thing to incorperate.

Model of car.
Type of Engine.
Type of Gas System Used.
Installed By Who.
Installation Cost.
Fuel Economy.
Any problems had.
Straight Gas vs Duel Fuel.


I personally am mainly interested in the setups used for Gen3 as I am thinking of putting it in the stato but we are also looking at purchasing a 5l VS Stato and putting it on gas.
Im sure that you guys agree that there is not enough info out there or if it is its to hard to find.

Just a thought,
Hopefully a few guys take it on.
Cheers, veeque92

[commsirac]

Good idea....over to the mods.
Perhaps there needs to be specifc threads/sections relating to
Engine
Cooling
Transmissions
LPG
tyres/wheels(this definitely isnt really model specific)

Interior
Electrics

as looking through the threads the same questions come up in the sects for different models, though many of the quests are model specific.

[Cane_It]

we've had this discussion before, as isnt to be essed about with if you dont know what you're doing, I refer to Alternative Fuels :: Index as a very reliable source of info...

[hakhawk]

as long as theres no talk about modifying gas systems, installing yourself(talking about doing it, not saying you did it in the list), anything that could be a potential danger, id be fine with leaving it open.

it will be good for people to see what different brands/systems work best or worst with their commodore, with the gas incentive and fuel costs rising/being high, its good to know whats going to be worthwhile.

[veeque92]

Thats what Im talking about guys.
Trying to find out information on the subjuct is hard,
Im not talking about what dodgy stuff you do in your back yard with your gas,
I am talking about professionally installed systems on different makes and models to hopefully steer people in the right direction when purchasing the best system to suit there needs.

I dont know about the rest of you but I am always a bit sceptical to believe what the sales reps tell me, I would rather hear from real people about this to weigh up the pros and cons.

Cheers, Veeque92

[veeque92]

anyone got anything??

[Cheap6]

Have you found these?

Gas Converted VT

VS V6 on LPG

Gas conversion on VP

Converting to gas (VP Berlina)

2 GAS or not to GAS?

[blownba]

I think it would be a great help.
I love to browse the forums and give help and advice to people who have LPG enquires.
Sometimes I even get work out of it but thye most important thing to me is people getting the proper advice and guidance when considering LPG because at the moment there are plenty of shonky converters around just doin the cash grab cause of the rebate.
And NOTHING MAKES ME ANGRIER to see people with brand new conversions having heaps of problems.

So if I can help I would love to.

[veeque92]

got quotes today for both cars from Parnells gas conversions at regency park,

For a vsi setup on the genIII WH series II Stato was about $4500 plus gst

and

For a standard mixer setup on the 5.0ltr VS Stato was about $2500 + gaysextax.

Does this sound about right. the guy I spoke to said vsi wasnt worth putting on the 5ltr but neccecary for the 5.7.

Any help

Cheers guys

[dufus]

Im not sure about the vsi set up, but $2500 sounds about right for the standard mixer setup on the VS Stato.

[blownba]

Please, please please be VERY carefull of Parnells. They have been getting a very bad wrap for poor workmanship and crap products of late. Especially of their VSI tune. Their mapping of the prins VSI seems to be flawed.
Have a look at this thread on the Ford forums and see how many unhappy Parnell customers there are. Australian Ford Forums

I would be going for a IMPCO kit. This was factory fitted by Holden when the VS was on sale and it is a tried and proven set up with very little problems. The Parnel standard is a simple mixer type and can tend to be low on performance when compared to a well tuned Impco system.
If you were to go VSI I would stick to Tartarini or Eurogas VSI. These systems are far superior to Prins. I know because I have fitted the Prins to a VS for another workshop that was sent to me to be converted with the kit purchased by this workshop.
It was NASTY believe me.
Tartarini or Eurogas (Eurogas uses the same injectors as the Prins but totally different software, ECU and wiring) is the way to go for any VSI you need. It is the stuff that constantly recieves almost ZERO customer complaints. Whereas Prins fitted by Parnell just has a separate line down at Parnell's just for people to complain. LOLOLOL

Seriously though go with IMPCO (Not the aussie copy or the chinese ****) and get a good fitter to install it and you can't go wrong.

[minux]

Please, please please be VERY carefull of Parnells. They have been getting a very bad wrap for poor workmanship and crap products of late. Especially of their VSI tune. Their mapping of the prins VSI seems to be flawed.
Have a look at this thread on the Ford forums and see how many unhappy Parnell customers there are. Australian Ford Forums

I would be going for a IMPCO kit. This was factory fitted by Holden when the VS was on sale and it is a tried and proven set up with very little problems. The Parnel standard is a simple mixer type and can tend to be low on performance when compared to a well tuned Impco system.
If you were to go VSI I would stick to Tartarini or Eurogas VSI. These systems are far superior to Prins. I know because I have fitted the Prins to a VS for another workshop that was sent to me to be converted with the kit purchased by this workshop.
It was NASTY believe me.
Tartarini or Eurogas (Eurogas uses the same injectors as the Prins but totally different software, ECU and wiring) is the way to go for any VSI you need. It is the stuff that constantly recieves almost ZERO customer complaints. Whereas Prins fitted by Parnell just has a separate line down at Parnell's just for people to complain. LOLOLOL

Seriously though go with IMPCO (Not the aussie copy or the chinese ****) and get a good fitter to install it and you can't go wrong.

Will agree there, we put 2 work cars in one BF Falcon, one VZ Sedan, it took months to get the tunes right, they bore massive holes in places i wouldn't expect. In the end the boss had the kits removed by another company and replaced. We were fed too many stories. The mechanics seemed like amateurs. Perhaps it was just me, but i certainly have not and will not ever recommend their services.
Some excuses were injectors were wrong, we must of got a flat battery and the tune was lost etc etc

[vxcalais_01]

THe AMR is a very good kit as well, manufactured in Oakleigh in Melbourne, some parts imported from Italy i think.

I spoke to a gas installer and he reckons that if you installed the mixer system say 3 years ago, after 3 year you are again elegible for the grant, so im planning on upgrading my mixer system to the injector system in the new year. IT would be cheaper as you already have the tank. Tank lasts 10 years

[veeque92]

excellent guys this is what i have been waiting for.

Now my next question is, Where is a good spot to get an impco system,

Surely some one must be able to reccomend places that are helpfull to there customers and give them what they ask for.

These shops are the ones that deserve my money so All you people out there help out these companies that helped you out and give em a shout out.

I really want to try and get this thread going so people dont get stuffed around.

Thanks guys

[jules]

complete list of conversion options (in PDF) for all models from LPG autogas website.

[dufus]

complete list of conversion options (in PDF) for all models from LPG autogas website.

That is nowhere near a complete list for all models. Its still a really good resource for those people whose car is listed though.

[blownba]

If its got a engine it can be converted.
You wouldn't believe the things I have put on gas over the years. Boats, mowers, motorbikes, diesel engines, stationary engines, rotaries, tractor and the list keeps growing.
If you are willing to have as go you would be amazed what can be achieved.
I'm in melbourne so I can't suggest anyone in Adelade,sorry.

[jules]

If its got a engine it can be converted.

in victoria (and as far as i know, in other states as well) you now need to demonstrate the kit complies with emissions regs.

so in practice you can only use type approved kits on certified vehicles. the exception is if you can demonstrate emissions compliance, although that would be impractical for most people.

[Cheap6]

That is precisely what the list on the LPGAutogas site is; a list of all the conversions that have been type approved. If your car is built after Jan 2004 and not on that list (subject to the list being up to date and accurate) you aren't getting it converted to run on LPG. Fortunately, Commodores are popular and worth getting type approval for conversions.

Conversions on earlier cars are not subject to the same requirements and while the equipment manufacturers put together kits of parts intended for particular vehicles, an individual installer can use whatever they like to perform a conversion. If the installer is doing this, they need to be very good. The skills required to engineer an installation are different (with some overlap) to those required to perform the installation. This is why a safe bet is to use a complete (GM) factory conversion.

[farkamhall]

hi all, this LPG thread is really interesting as i am considering putting gas in my 1981 VH 6CYL; Speaking to some members, they recommend the impco 225 with model j convertor. speaking with an impco rep today, he says go for a 300A with model E convertor. would blownba or anyone here have a thought on the system to go for and any comments on the distributor side of the conversion. got some very good advice from forum member but the gas installers confused me a bit so any help please,. by the way, lowest install quote was $2300.00 highest was $2500.00. i am in NSW just outside picton.

[veeque92]

Just got more quotes.

WH Series II gen3
impco system (vapour sequencial injection)
$4350


v8 5litre vs Statesman, nga system
$2400

He said that Holden or RAA dont recommend gas on either of these engines can cause valve problems and stuff but I wouldnt do it without an upper cylinder Lube Kit anyways and running petrol aswell.

Auto Tech gas on Main North Road.

Only Problem Is they have a 3 Month Wait.