Another red light question
Ok , this is not a whinge about getting cought by a camera .This morning when driving to work i i got flashed by the camera at the corner of Heatherton and Gladstone roads .The thing is just as i entered the intersection the lights changed to amber and i got flashed . Is this normal ? i thought they were RED light cameras not Amber light cameras. This is the first time i have been done so i'm not sure .
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If you entered after they turned amber they will get you.The beauty about red light cameras is they cant lie. The picture will show all!
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You can enter anytime whilst it's amber and you won't get flashed. Plus, I'm pretty sure there's a small buffer after it's gone red.
If you're issued a ticket, it will tell you how many seconds into the red you entered the intersection. It will show two pictures.
You could be lucky if there were any cars directly beside you, but probably not. Best to just cop it I guess.. Or get your loving wife to take the points..
I was actually almost through to the otherside of the intersection before they turned red . There was a white ford in the right turn lane facing a red arrow but not sure if he stopped or went through the red arrow . Oh well , i'll just cop it , Its the first one i've had for about 3 years .I used to always get them around Chrissy time lol .
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you can enter on amber and green, exit on amber, green and red. Red just means you cannot enter the intersection. Youll get it back adn itl will show you entering on a amber light... big deal you loose nothing.
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Red - Dont Go
Amber - Hurry Up And Go
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I work for a council in QLD and I was talking to a bloke in my design team who takes care of all the traffic lights etc, he told me that the red light camera only get power ONCE the light turns RED, not amber. I Dont know how yours work down there but I would think there would be AUST standards for all traffic lights and cameras.
no, i was sitting just under 60 kays cos i noticed it had been green for a while and was due to change ( i have been going through this intersection for about 15 years. ) I got flashed at the same lights about 2 years ago just after the cameras were put in . I stopped just over the line when the light was red but heard nothing of it .
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That intersection is a red light and speed camera one.....and gives you bugger all time especially when a truck or bus does a turn.
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hmm well if you weren't doing anything wrong, don't worry. i have been flashed a few times now for no reason, and never seen a fine in the mail.
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I got pinged by a red light camera in the semi, when I got the picture with the fine you could see the amber light was on (****ing rain and very overcast) I rang and told them that it must have been the trailer that set the camera off and I had clearly entered the intersection on amber, cop swore a bit and said all tickets from that date would have to be reviewed and I got a letter stating technical error no infringment.
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Why would you talk to the police about this? They have nothing to do with speed/red light cameras?
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Q. If a driver enters an intersection once a light has turned amber and the light turns red before the driver passes through the intersection, is that considered running a red light?
A. No.
red light cameras at intersections have a delay period of about 1 - 1.5 sec after turning red before the light/camera is activated. the light/camera is activated once the sensor picks up movement of any sort across the continuous white stop line..if you creep over the stop line while the light is red, it'll activate and you'll receive an TIN as technically you have contravened the stop signal and or stop line.
in WA, this is the only time that the light/cameras will activate, there are no dual purposes cameras at intersections....unkn about eastern seaboard...but wouldn't surprise me considering some of the ridiculous speeds ppl do to beat the amber and cross through on the red....
The red light cameras work by taking two photos. 0.6 seconds apart to check if the car has now moved through the intersection so creeping a little over the white line won't set it off either. Well in theory at least. And yes we definately have combined speed/red light cameras over this side.
I reckon you blokes over there have it worse than us though. Our speed cameras are generally plonked out in plain view & can be seen from a fair distance away & not hidden in bushes & the like.
yes they DEFINATELY have combined red light and speed cameras, one of my friends got done for running a red light AND 8km's over the limit - 2 fines
another couple have got done just by driving through green lights and speeding and it flashes.
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there is a redlight/speed camera near my house and i have been flashed about 5 times going through on a green at 60 in a 70 zone. never get any fines. i think its rooted cos sometimes it flashes and noone is there lol. also sumtimes they test them for a few weeks after changing them or servicing them to make sure they r running correctly. so they may have simply being testing the camera position or seeing if the flash was getting any reflections
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well mate, unfortunately for some intersections over here if u creep over the line it'll flash....stop line is there for a reason and the sensors are activated on crossing the line, then a second flash showing veh in the intersection, where by the two photo's are viewed and an approx speed and distance is calculated from the position of the car in both photo's.
and yes, i hate them and the way they are deployed over here....the idea should be one of pro-activeness not re-activeness...if cameras are out in full view, ppl will still speed cos' most ppl only see what's in front of them a few metres away.....
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The camera may have been triggered by the car in the turn lane, he may have edged over the line while the light was red. As long as the light didn't change to red before you hit the line, then you have nothing to worry about.
If the light definitely wasn't red when you went through then the camera photo will reflect this and no penalty notice will be issued.
On the other hand with this scenario - if I had of seen you I would have ticketed you for going through an amber light without making any attempt to stop (surprise surprise there is a ticket for it). I mostly give it to the ones that put the foot down when the change occurrs.
Unfortunately the cameras can't differentiate between cars that go through when it's just gone to amber and those others that ignorantly go through when they've had more than enough time to stop.
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i have faith in the technology, the camera doesn't lie, but what i don't like is the intersections that appear to be set up to catch people. Alexandra Pde in melbourne is a classic example. a number of the lights are programmed to turn amber just as the traffic approaches from the previous red light, 400m back, and they often have a short amber phase.
not surprisingly, the camera doesn't seem to get much of a breather whenever i pass it (i've never been done, i'm paranoid on that road, but i reckon one day i'll get shunted from behind).
a few years back, a city council in the US was fined a huge amount of money when it was proven they did the same thing.
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haha, I travel down that same stretch every morning in peak hour - on the way home from workI know what you mean, but everyone knows it's a bodgy stretch of road. I think I've commented on this same stretch before in another thread... I'm more concerned about being tail-ended by a truck one day, 'cause frankly I don't trust the amber sequence on those lights. I only ever approach the intersections at 50, and if they go amber, I drop the anchors unless I'm already on the line
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This guy definItely seems to know what he/she is talking about, based on attention to at least spelling his/her post correctly!
I do wonder about giving tickets for going through the amber at the discretion of the officer based on whether they thought the vehicle had adequate time to stop. Is there different rules here in place depending on what you are driving?
What about this scenario, two vehicles approaching a set of lights:
Vehicle 1:
a 40 tonne truck doing 60km/h
lights and they turn amber at ~50m out
truck keeps going(because there is basically no chance of stopping the truck in that dist)
truck hits white line just before light turns red
Vehicle 2:
An abs equipped comm doing 45km/h
lights go amber from 40m out (plenty of room to stop)
floors it to speed up to 55km/h
goes past the white line on the amber before the truck does
As I understand it vehicle 2 will get a ticket every time if the police do as is required........but why.......the truck still creates a much more dangerous situation
BTW I always stop if possible......but typically it involves watching another two or three cars/trucks go past me to beat the red light on a multilane rd)
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Ah man, trucks do their own thing. And fair enough, they get a hard time out there on the roads. I work on the docks, and every night, without fail, I see b-doubles run hard red lights, simply because it would be too much effort to stop and then catch the next four lights on red aswell. Frankly, I think that's a fair call around the docklands area on Footscray Rd. There are also these RIDICULOUS u-turn bays, which have the LONGEST cycle of lights you have ever seen. I **** you not, you wait to do a u-turn, and there is NO traffic anywhere to be seen at midnight... then two minutes later, when three or four cars FINALLY come toward you, the lights change, making them stop for ya. Then, not to mention, the lights are only long enough for two semis to get through. No wonder the next three trucks just wait for the cars to pass then run the lights.
In traffic, during commuter hours - different story. But that's just my two cents
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