These bulbs legal??

[Cobez]

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Would these be illegal just like those autotechinca blue parker globes?

[andyman]

i cant see why there would be an issue with these, as it says they are white l.e.d's so its not gunna change the colour of the lights,

go for it if you want them i guess

[Cobez]

I just wasn't sure because i know the blue parker globes are defectable (not the white blue light, but the pure neon blue light parker globes are), so i wasn't sure if it was the same deal on these, as the light that lights up your plates is important.

[minux]

You are allowed white light from the rear, the only issue i foresee is that they are not bright enough to illuminate the number plate at the required distance, also if they are too bright you can be done as they are too dazzling to other drivers.

[Cobez]

That's exactly what i was thinking ^^^^

[| evaN |]

Think i heard somewhere that you aren't allowed to have led globes outside unless they came stock. sort of like the hid rule. But don't quote me on that though

[Cobez]

Interesting. I will have to research this further and find out!! Thanks guys!!

[vy_storm]

Think i heard somewhere that you aren't allowed to have led globes outside unless they came stock. sort of like the hid rule. But don't quote me on that though

That rule would be pointless as all truck/trailer lights and lenses now come in LED variants for upgrades and replacements, just check the latest Narva catalogue these days.

[wrx884]

Not only trucks all the newer sedans r coming out with LEDs instead of globes inside and out, wont b long b4 all globes will b gone from cars so i cant see y these globe r an issue 2 the OP if ur worried about them not lighting up the number plate enough buy a different sort that has a wider veiwing angle or even better multiple LEDs 2 help spread the light.

[| evaN |]

That rule would be pointless as all truck/trailer lights and lenses now come in LED variants for upgrades and replacements, just check the latest Narva catalogue these days.

i think its got more to do with people using really cheap china made led bulbs with a very narrow beam spead with really dodgy soldering. . Narva on the other hand is a actual brand name with a reputation so the quality would be better.

Not only trucks all the newer sedans r coming out with LEDs instead of globes inside and out, wont b long b4 all globes will b gone from cars so i cant see y these globe r an issue 2 the OP if ur worried about them not lighting up the number plate enough buy a different sort that has a wider veiwing angle or even better multiple LEDs 2 help spread the light.

HID kits for example, they come stock on higher class cars but that doesn't make it legal for people to install them on non hid cars. Just because its comes stock on other cars doesn't mean its ok for us to use them.

[vy_storm]

i think its got more to do with people using really cheap china made led bulbs with a very narrow beam spead with really dodgy soldering. . Narva on the other hand is a actual brand name with a reputation so the quality would be better.

Yup, thats why you need to have ADR approved stuff to be legal, cheap no name chinese stuff normally isn't.

[minux]

HID kits for example, they come stock on higher class cars but that doesn't make it legal for people to install them on non hid cars. Just because its comes stock on other cars doesn't mean its ok for us to use them.

HIDS are legal, it is certain light output that is not.

[wrx884]

evaN |;700223]i think its got more to do with people using really cheap china made led bulbs with a very narrow beam spead with really dodgy soldering. . Narva on the other hand is a actual brand name with a reputation so the quality would be better.

Talkin LEDs only? not really......... china just has a much bigger market 4 them and yes ur right some can b cheap and nasty but if u find the right manufactures they'll b prolly the best quality LEDs u can find.

HID kits for example, they come stock on higher class cars but that doesn't make it legal for people to install them on non hid cars. Just because its comes stock on other cars doesn't mean its ok for us to use them.[/quote]

Was talkin LEDs not HIDs totaly different as minux said its certain output that makes them illegal, point was u look at the rear tail lights mainly, at this stage using LEDs nothing illegal bout them so y shouldnt they b on later model cars? just coz the technology back then wasnt available doesnt mean u cant upgrade aswell just like navara have 4 the trucks that vy storm was talkin bout. As long as they r either ADR apprroved, correct colour or work effeciant enough wats the problem?


Minux i thought i had a bug on my screen after i realised it was ur avatar hahaha

[1991_Vn2nV]

HIDS are legal, it is certain light output that is not.

According to ECE Regulations for HID's to be legal the vehicle MUST be fitted with a self levelling system and lense cleaning device. I think generally they have to be a projector lense also. So HID's on their own are not legal.

[| evaN |]

HIDS are legal, it is certain light output that is not.

HID's are completely illegal unless they come with washers and self levelers. To many rumors and hearing stuff from friends friends have people believing the wrong things. Another thing people believe is that 4300k is legal and everything else higher is illegal. its not the colour, its the fact that you've got a PnP HID kit.

[| evaN |]

As long as they r either ADR apprroved, correct colour or work effeciant enough wats the problem?

Yeah but how many LED lights for cars are ADR approved?

[BANKS]

The LED lights on my ute are E- marked, which means they meet ADR specs but arnt ARD approved. The manufacture doesn’t want to spend the $$$'S atm to get them approved. So i think they get around it becuase they get them e-marked which is cheaper then getting them fully approved. Dont know where that stands with insurance and roadworthyness, but one would think that if they meet ADR spec that they are road legal?

[wrx884]

Yeah but how many LED lights for cars are ADR approved?

If u look u'll find wat u need that is but even if they rnt ADR approved if they work effeciant enough and r 2 the correct specs y would a copper pick u up 4 somthing that u wouldnt even know till u physically took the LEDs out?

Have a good look at some manufactures im sure u'll find ur answer

[1991_Vn2nV]

If u look u'll find wat u need that is but even if they rnt ADR approved if they work effeciant enough and r 2 the correct specs y would a copper pick u up 4 somthing that u wouldnt even know till u physically took the LEDs out?

Have a good look at some manufactures im sure u'll find ur answer

Like with sports steering wheels, I assume some police would assume the globes illegal til proved wrong.

[VicCop]

I just looked at the picture on the ad and personally I wouldn't defect a car with these globes.

They're the right colour. Yes those blue parker ones you see do attract a defect because they're blue. Remember it's white facing front, red facing rear except for reversing lights (must be white).

The advantage I reckon of having these globes in is that they're LED so they don't burn out quick and they're much clearer. It would be that if they're too bright they would become a problem.

[commsirac]

except for reversing lights (must be white)

Unless of course they are orange.......

No one has mentioned the claims of the leds actually reaching full brightness ~ 0.2 seconds faster than filament globes.
In a suburban rear ender a car that was travelling at 60km/h and braked heavily after seeing your filament brake lights and hit you at 30km/h would only hit you at 14km/h if they had seen your led globes 0.2secs earlier.

[STEALTHY™]

Keep in mind LEDs don't emit as much wattage as a normal globe. So if your in a higher luxury level car like me, your blown globe warning on the dash will probably stay on. Not totally sure if thats what happens, but i heard something from somewhere about it lol

[wrx884]

Keep in mind LEDs don't emit as much wattage as a normal globe. So if your in a higher luxury level car like me, your blown globe warning on the dash will probably stay on. Not totally sure if thats what happens, but i heard something from somewhere about it lol

Ur correct but theres a way around that u need 2 mod the wiring 2 trick the BCM into thinkin that the globes still there and reading a false reading if that makes sense. there was a thread on this but i think it got lost during the time JC went down some1 else might remember it?

[| evaN |]

6 Ohm, 50 Watt LED light bulb Load Resistor
something like this will fix that problem. just wire it in parallel with the led bulb. It's probably cheaper to make it yourself but finding a 50watt resistor like theirs might be a problem lol

[commsirac]

Not sure that the dummy resistor load is going to be the best solution for the warning lamp problem.

Not sure they have done their maths properly either, 6 Ohm resistor for car use is going to be only 32W, but perhaps their power rating is the ability of the unit to release heat if operated at higher voltages.

The device would be effective with indicators and only one would be needed if it were just wired in parallel after the flasher. This would prevent the fast flashing that can happen if the load is not high enough, which is normally indicative of a broken globe.

In regard to stopping the warning lights on the dash indicating a blown bulb, yes they would work, but I doubt that if the LED globe failed that the reduction in current would be enough to trigger the warning lamps if the parallel resistor load was fitted, making the dash warning lights obselete. A cheaper option may be to ignore the warning lights or just pull the globes from the dash.......easier said than done.

That being all said, Im not really familiar with the warning lamp systems fitted here. Are there warning lamps for brake light and tail lamp failure that indicate on the dash regardless of whether they are being used?