Projector headlights... biggest pain is the A hole??

[BANKS]

I was driving home last night from the sunshine coast; it was nighttime and lightly raining. Driving on the motorway no probs then I all of a sudden I could see NOTHING... the headlights and foglights were on but it was like the ground was absorbing all the light from both, so there as a period of about 400m that I was driving 100% blind. Not a feeling I want to have again, so I thought I’d go and get some decent bulbs for all the lights.

Open the bonnet

Look at the headlights

Turns out there’s 2 types of low beam (H11 and H4) and 2 types of high beam (H9 and H1) written on it....oooook so which one?

Went into autobarn, "H1 in low beam and H3 in high beam" ... silly autobarn lol

Take the bumper off, took one of the headlight assembles out. H11 for low beam and H9 for high beam. Looked at the foglights and its a H3, to easy I know there’s blue/crystal vision in H3, not an issue

Turns out Philips don’t make H9 and H11 bulbs in the blue/crystal vision range... Why the **** did Holden put in those bulb types! I can replace them but only with the same bulb, not with a bulb that’s better, which is the whole point of me changing it over so I don’t crash into **** when I cant see...



So is there any bulbs out there in H9 and H11 that are a million times better then the crap that’s in there now?

[Troy711]

get a set of H9 high beamss, get a hobby knife... remove the small tab inside the plug hole which prevents you from using them in the H11 low beam plug.

viola! brighter light on low beams! also, there is a way to change the wires around so as the low beams stay on when the high beams are put on.

[BANKS]

get a set of H9 high beamss, get a hobby knife... remove the small tab inside the plug hole which prevents you from using them in the H11 low beam plug.

viola! brighter light on low beams! also, there is a way to change the wires around so as the low beams stay on when the high beams are put on.

Bush mechanics... love it! lol So H9 and H11 are physically the same thing? just a little tab stopping them? Are the H9's brighter? Same wattage? What wires do you swap over?

Im guessing you've done this one then troy?

[Lumps of cheese]

How come you took off the bumper to remove the lights? They come out pretty easily without dropping the bumper.
On the lights, i went into this and was told that a crystal globe was coming out shortly for these lights but who knows for sure when.

[BANKS]

How come you took off the bumper to remove the lights? They come out pretty easily without dropping the bumper.
On the lights, i went into this and was told that a crystal globe was coming out shortly for these lights but who knows for sure when.

couldnt be assed taking the battery and airbox out, only 7 screws for the bumper, plus i thought you had to take it off to get to the spoties.

[Lumps of cheese]

couldnt be assed taking the battery and airbox out, only 7 screws for the bumper, plus i thought you had to take it off to get to the spoties.

I never took the battery and airbox out either.You just unscrew the lights and loosen the grill and they come out.

[BANKS]

I never took the battery and airbox out either.You just unscrew the lights and loosen the grill and they come out.

im confused?

[Lumps of cheese]

From memorey there is 4 screws holding the light in place?
I just undone those and undone the screws holding the centre grill on just to give me room to wiggle the headlights out, easy peasy japanesey!

[BANKS]

From memorey there is 4 screws holding the light in place?
I just undone those and undone the screws holding the centre grill on just to give me room to wiggle the headlights out, easy peasy japanesey!

theres 3 bolts for mine, one down lowbehind the light, one on top and one on the front, but to get to the front one you have to take the bumper off, you've got the projetor lights yeah?

just found a thread on LS1 on that H9 mod troy

[Lumps of cheese]

theres 3 bolts for mine, one down lowbehind the light, one on top and one on the front, but to get to the front one you have to take the bumper off, you've got the projetor lights yeah?

just found a thread on LS1 on that H9 mod troy

Hmmmm, mine was based on the vy but i'd thought they'd be the same but prehaps not?

[wrx884]

theres 3 bolts for mine, one down lowbehind the light, one on top and one on the front, but to get to the front one you have to take the bumper off, you've got the projetor lights yeah?

just found a thread on LS1 on that H9 mod troy

I did this mod with my monaro head lights i can tell u that, that lil mod is the best lil mode u can do with out spending any money wat so eva and ur only using a bulb thats 10W greater than the original low beam so no way of melting nething and u get at least 30% more light on the road.

I went through the same prob as u lookin 4 better bulbs i found a set on ebay that seems 2 b pretty good but u must use the mod 4 them 2 b good Mtec the brand is but u have 2 get the super white type only $60 4 both bulbs sets. If i wanted somthing in comparison on aftermarket on the shelf i was lookin at $200 4 a pair thats just rediculous

[BANKS]

I did this mod with my monaro head lights i can tell u that, that lil mod is the best lil mode u can do with out spending any money wat so eva and ur only using a bulb thats 10W greater than the original low beam so no way of melting nething and u get at least 30% more light on the road.

I went through the same prob as u lookin 4 better bulbs i found a set on ebay that seems 2 b pretty good but u must use the mod 4 them 2 b good Mtec the brand is but u have 2 get the super white type only $60 4 both bulbs sets. If i wanted somthing in comparison on aftermarket on the shelf i was lookin at $200 4 a pair thats just rediculous

yeah by the sounds of it everyone should be doing it! went to auto barn today to get some H9 bulbs, $70 each! **** THAT! ill go to holden tomorrow to get some... sometimes i wonder how i end up in autobarn

[Troy711]

Bush mechanics... love it! lol So H9 and H11 are physically the same thing? just a little tab stopping them? Are the H9's brighter? Same wattage? What wires do you swap over?

Im guessing you've done this one then troy?

correct

yep, done it myself. my grilfriend was driving in front of me one night and wasy whinging about how bright my headlights were

from memory, the H11s (low) are 55 watts and the H9s are 60, maybe even 65

[BANKS]

On further investigating, im getting a HID kit. lol Ive found out that its actually not illegal to have them in projector style headlights as they prodoces a fixed pattern that cant be changed no matter what bulb setup is placed behind it. I've seen countless before and after photos and theres no difference in the light pattern, just its intensity. Which is what im after.

Im getting a H11 50watt HID kit and some LED wedge parker bulbs. for $257 But i havent decided on the temperature yet, 4300k or 6000k

[| evaN |]

yep, done it myself. my grilfriend was driving in front of me one night and wasy whinging about how bright my headlights were

That would be because you haven't got your headlights adjusted properly. Park your car side on to a wall at night and if its going up then its too high.
your beams are supposed to go down 2inchs every 15feet or something like that

On further investigating, im getting a HID kit. lol Ive found out that its actually not illegal to have them in projector style headlights as they prodoces a fixed pattern that cant be changed no matter what bulb setup is placed behind it. I've seen countless before and after photos and theres no difference in the light pattern, just its intensity. Which is what im after.

HID kits are illegal. only cars that come with HID's stock with auto washers and auto levellers are legal.
BUT ive got a 55watt hid kit in my car with modified altezza projectors and i wouldn't go back blue cutoff line ftw

[BANKS]

That would be because you haven't got your headlights adjusted properly. Park your car side on to a wall at night and if its going up then its too high.
your beams are supposed to go down 2inchs every 15feet or something like that

HID kits are illegal. only cars that come with HID's stock with auto washers and auto levellers are legal.
BUT ive got a 55watt hid kit in my car with modified altezza projectors and i wouldn't go back blue cutoff line ftw

There’s no law against it as of yet, it’s a very grey area atm. Auto levellers and washers are a rumour. Most imported cars into Australia I.e. Hondas don’t have auto washers. Not sure about levellers.

From the research I’ve done the police won’t do anything about them if they look normal. It’s only the people that put them into none projector style headlights that cop **** because the beam isn’t focused and controlled and just goes everywhere blinding everyone. But due to the SS and HSV projector lenses design the light is focused the same way as if it was a halogen bulb, just a more intense and cleaner light. They may not be legal yet, but they’re not illegal either.

From all the people over in LS1, none have said they’ve received any flashes from other drivers due to their lights being to bright to not focused. Blinding someone is just as dangerous as driving with no lights at all IMHO

[wrx884]

where did ya find that kit man ebay?

[BANKS]

where did ya find that kit man ebay?

Nar not eBay. There’s a company called gadget master that sells OEM HID kits. Just not at ridiculous prices

I cant give the link (forum rules) but its at LS1, search for projector headlights as the topic name. Read it from back to front. Will totally change you mind about HID!

Another forum member and myself are organising a group buy, so if you or anyone else is interested let me know, we’ll get a bit of a discount.

[1991_Vn2nV]

There’s no law against it as of yet, it’s a very grey area atm. Auto levellers and washers are a rumour. Most imported cars into Australia I.e. Hondas don’t have auto washers. Not sure about levellers.

From the research I’ve done the police won’t do anything about them if they look normal. It’s only the people that put them into none projector style headlights that cop **** because the beam isn’t focused and controlled and just goes everywhere blinding everyone. But due to the SS and HSV projector lenses design the light is focused the same way as if it was a halogen bulb, just a more intense and cleaner light. They may not be legal yet, but they’re not illegal either.

From all the people over in LS1, none have said they’ve received any flashes from other drivers due to their lights being to bright to not focused. Blinding someone is just as dangerous as driving with no lights at all IMHO

Man how many times does this need to be said. HID's are illegal. You keep saying they are fine in all these HID/Xenon threads and then when the evidence is put clearly in front of you you seem to ignore it.

If you don't know, then don't say there isn't purely because you havent heard one.

Look up ECE Regulation 48. R48 — Installation of lighting and light-signalling devices. "Vehicles equipped with HID headlamps are required by ECE regulation 48 also to be equipped with headlamp lens cleaning systems and automatic beam levelling control. Both of these measures are intended to reduce the tendency for high-output headlamps to cause high levels of glare to other road users."

Australia and New Zealand are two of over 50 participating countries in the ECE regulations which are set by the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations.

Japan is also a participating country, so Honda's should also be fitted with some sort of devices that meet ECE regulations.

ECE regulations provide minimum requirements for other australian rules also, such as aftermarket steering wheels.

[BANKS]

Man how many times does this need to be said. HID's are illegal. You keep saying they are fine in all these HID/Xenon threads and then when the evidence is put clearly in front of you you seem to ignore it.

If you don't know, then don't say there isn't purely because you havent heard one.

Look up ECE Regulation 48. R48 — Installation of lighting and light-signalling devices. "Vehicles equipped with HID headlamps are required by ECE regulation 48 also to be equipped with headlamp lens cleaning systems and automatic beam levelling control. Both of these measures are intended to reduce the tendency for high-output headlamps to cause high levels of glare to other road users."

Australia and New Zealand are two of over 50 participating countries in the ECE regulations which are set by the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations.

Japan is also a participating country, so Honda's should also be fitted with some sort of devices that meet ECE regulations.

ECE regulations provide minimum requirements for other australian rules also, such as aftermarket steering wheels.

Yeah agreed... but this is the only thread where ive said that due to reading other peoples experiences with these kits.

My headlights are ****. Period, I don’t feel very comfortable driving at night cus there not bright enough. Believe me im researching it. Looking at as many photos as I can. All the photos i've seen, on my type of car, the beam pattern is the exactly same. I not/don’t talking/care about other cars. Just the SS/HSV style projectors. I've been getting testimonials from everyone that’s done it, asking about the performance, have you been flashed due to them being blinding to over road users, have you been pulled over, some have even had them covered under insurance! But all the questions have been answered positively.

I know exactly where you’re coming from with the laws. But what about 4wds? Their height makes it extremely hard to see when they're coming towards you when there fitted with a factory HID kit, but yet that’s legal?

My argument is that the laws that are in place are very grey due to the short period that HID kits have been available to the consumer market.

[wrx884]

How bout tryin the mod 1st then deciding man? trust me u'll see a big difference havin 65W globes compared 2 normal 55W.

[BANKS]

How bout tryin the mod 1st then deciding man? trust me u'll see a big difference havin 65W globes compared 2 normal 55W.

Yeah i was, i even went out to try and get some lol but then i read the rest of the thread and have decided to go the HID's. One of the reasons was why spend $50 when i could put it towards the kit.

[wrx884]

Yeah i was, i even went out to try and get some lol but then i read the rest of the thread and have decided to go the HID's. One of the reasons was why spend $50 when i could put it towards the kit.

Do ur H9 high beams get changed also wen u put the kit in or do they stay in as is?

[BANKS]

Do ur H9 high beams get changed also wen u put the kit in or do they stay in as is?

Nar they stay as is, you can get a H9 kit to go in which some people have done with great results, but I don’t really have an issue with the high beams, just the low atm. Some have said that after changing the low beam that the high beam looks yellow against it so they've changed it over. Something i'll have to see for myself.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Make sure you purchase a German HID kit, which available here only leaves Phillips I believe.