Rules with supercharging

[Ripcell]

im looking into supercharging my vx in a couple of months, (september)

what i dont know is are there any specific rules with supercharging an vehicle, i looked on the vicroads modification guides but they are basically useless.

the breaks have been upgraded already, im guessing thats something important

thanks in advance

[Shounak]

All you're going to do is create an unreliable car which may keep up with a V8.

Unless you can take care of everything properly yourself, I wouldn't recommend it. Those kits are pretty expensive and the price of V8's is really dipping with the fuel crisis.

Also, I'm not sure you engine internals could handle too much. They strengthened it for the L67 and I'm assuming you're going to get much more power than the factory s/c kit.

Best bet is to sell and buy. Unless you really love that particular car.

[stocky]

wont be legal unless you go with the l67. roots/twin screw is the only decent form of blower for a v6 anyway

[Ripcell]

wont be legal unless you go with the l67. roots/twin screw is the only decent form of blower for a v6 anyway

right.... so whats the actual prob with it? emissions or something?

[stocky]

pretty much. what kind of blower were you looking at putting on?

[Ripcell]

pretty much. what kind of blower were you looking at putting on?

was looking at the raptor, they seem to look alright, i take it having twin cats makes no difference to emissions?

[stocky]

if you wanna go fast dont get a raptor, just go the easy way and get a whole l67 engine or something. cheaper and faster

[Ripcell]

if you wanna go fast dont get a raptor, just go the easy way and get a whole l67 engine or something. cheaper and faster

l67 with the stock blower on it? or a different setup all together?

cheers man

[Blown V6 Hatch]

As stocky said, just get a complete L67 and drop it in. No dramas with legalities because VX came with the L67 as an option. Atleast you know that then you have a decent engine that will handle the boost, and plenty of room for improvement.....

I don't understand how Shounak came to the conclusion that it will be unreliable, my V6 has been boosted and intercooled for a couple of years now and never ever missed a beat......it doesn't get granny driven either! IMO, reliability comes down to the quality of the product and installer, not the boost itself!

[Shounak]

I was thinking because it's an aftermarket setup, a lot of things have the potential to go wrong. Simply bolting a turbo onto the stock Ecotec opens up a potential myriad of troubles. Plus, I've seen people with highly modified vehicles, their's always something that they're fixing up or getting right with their car.

These are problems that generally don't occur with a stock car.

Timbo, if anything goes wrong with your car, you'd be fine because you built it. But for most of us who have to pay people to install/maintain our rides, it potentially opens up a pandora's box.

If I had the choice of boosting my 6 or getting a reasonably stock 8 for the same price, I'd go the 8 anyday. Just my personal preference.

[Ripcell]

As stocky said, just get a complete L67 and drop it in. No dramas with legalities because VX came with the L67 as an option. Atleast you know that then you have a decent engine that will handle the boost, and plenty of room for improvement.....

so its just the reliability of the l36 as opposed to the l67 thats the real difference.

pretty much i dont plan to change engines at this point, dont really have the extra money to spend.

so is it just a possible emissions problem with the l36 that is the real legal drama?

[Shounak]

Try engine failing drama. Swapping to the L67 is probably the easiest and cheapest part of the lot.

R+R for a motor is fairly simple and the new motor will bolt right in. The S/C will require a crapload more work than just R+R externally identical engines.

Check how much a 2nd hand L67 goes for and you'll probably get about $300-400 for the sale of your current motor. Everything else is well within the thousands.

I don't think emissions of a L36 would be much different on paper to the L67.

[Ripcell]

Try engine failing drama. Swapping to the L67 is probably the easiest and cheapest part of the lot.

R+R for a motor is fairly simple and the new motor will bolt right in. The S/C will require a crapload more work than just R+R externally identical engines.

Check how much a 2nd hand L67 goes for and you'll probably get about $300-400 for the sale of your current motor. Everything else is well within the thousands.

I don't think emissions of a L36 would be much different on paper to the L67.

humm ill look into it

yeah not sure, i just heard somewhere that emissions were the problem with gettin it roadworthy, i dont want any problems with mr plod

[fabz]

BWHAHAHAHA can i suggest you do some home work before writing off a raptor. I would go one over a l67. In all honesty call tim from raptor in mackay and he will tell you the pros and cons he knows his stuff. I know of people with stock internals punching out good figures and people with not so stock internals doing even better. Yet to find one having issues with getting a mod plate fitted and passing a roady.

I spose in the end its your choice but do your home work first buy calling people and dont take what people say on a forum as fact as it will just be there opinion. Good luck with your vx man!!

[Flat_White]

just out of curiosity what is the L67???

i am fairly sure that is what i have?

[HoldenMan7]

just out of curiosity what is the L67???

i am fairly sure that is what i have?

It just the stock Supercharged Ecotec motor mate.....

[Flat_White]

Yeh i thought so, but my engine code is L67 and i have NO supercharger...

i got a VY S PACK

[needwork2-4fillhabbit]

Yeah i think thats why he suggested putting the L67 supercharged engine in, because it already has the plate for it, was an option.

[Ripcell]

BWHAHAHAHA can i suggest you do some home work before writing off a raptor. I would go one over a l67. In all honesty call tim from raptor in mackay and he will tell you the pros and cons he knows his stuff. I know of people with stock internals punching out good figures and people with not so stock internals doing even better. Yet to find one having issues with getting a mod plate fitted and passing a roady.

I spose in the end its your choice but do your home work first buy calling people and dont take what people say on a forum as fact as it will just be there opinion. Good luck with your vx man!!

nah not just gunna write off a raptor, i do quite like the look of them, and seeing a few of them round on stock motors. i have shot tim a few PMs about it, but given its the weekend im not expecting replies.

the only thing im not clear on is what the go with making it legal is, cos i think it was stocky??? who got pulled over and got done for having one. i do want it to be legal even if it costs a little more, i see that tim got the raptor vy plated for it, didnt seem that hard for him, but im guessing that the rules in vic are different to qld.

thx all

[Grennan]

Depending on how much work you can do yourself and how good you are at sourcing parts, you could probally find a l67 out of a VT or VX drop it in and it wouldnt cost much more than a cooled raptor kit. It may not be pumping out 10PSI but youve got a engine that was made for boost so you know it can handle it and wont give you as many issues down the track.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Yeh i thought so, but my engine code is L67 and i have NO supercharger...

i got a VY S PACK

WTF??? Are you sure?? If it's not supercharged the engine code should be LN3....If it's L67 and there's no S/C there's something dodgy going on there!

Back on topic I'm not writing off the Raptor, but i am yet to see one that runs a decent 1/4 time for the power it's producing....Plenty of boosted up L67's around running some pretty handsome 1/4 times with same/less power than the Raptor! What does that tell you??

Personally, i would definately go with the L67. Will more than likely work out cheaper than the Raptor anyway, get a 10 psi pulley from YT for $120 and away you go.....

Centrifical blowers suck......Not just the Raptor

[Flat_White]

WTF??? Are you sure?? If it's not supercharged the engine code should be LN3....If it's L67 and there's no S/C there's something dodgy going on there!

Yep, im sure... looked at it just then...

anyone have any ideas?

[stocky]

Yep, im sure... looked at it just then...

anyone have any ideas?

who owned the car before you? maybe someone swapped the engine out, or it blew up or something

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Hmmmm, thats very wierd.....It's one of 2 things really, either someone along the line has pulled the L67 out and put an N/A Ecotec in it or the ID tag was stamped wrong from the factory!

[jules]

im looking into supercharging my vx in a couple of months, (september)

what i dont know is are there any specific rules with supercharging an vehicle, i looked on the vicroads modification guides but they are basically useless.

a VX is subject to sophisticated ADR emissions rules. it would need to continue to comply - you'd have a hard time making it do that, and proving it. i doubt it's possible.