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[ecotec38]

Hi all, i currently have just purchased a t5 conversion with most parts included out of a series 1 vn v6 which i plan to install myself into my vs series 11 v6 commodore but have a few questions first.
P.S The t5 conversion come with starter motor, manual tailshaft, ECU, pedal box, crossmember, y piece for exhaust, t5 borgwarner gearbox to suit v6, 6 bolt flywheel and a dead clutch and pressure plate. All parts are out of a vn series 1

Question 1.
As far as wiring is converned i am pretty hoples so can anybody fill me in as to what ill need, can i use the ecu that was in the vn or will i have to source one out of another car and if so what car? And for wiring looms whats the go, can i use any manual commodore wiring loom or does it need to be specifically out of a certain car?

Question 2.
Wheres a good place to get a flywheel mirror balanced aorund to northern suberbs of melbourne to suit the flex plate and what price roughly will i be looking at, also keep in mind that i will be machining the flywheel myself.

Question 3.
Will the manual starter motor fit any solid flywheel with the 8 bolt pattern eg. vr

Sorry for the long post, all help will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

[STEALTHY™]

Can't help with the questions you've asked, but i was pretty sure VN series 1 had a different setup to every other manual after it.


Also, whilst there reffered to as series 1, 1.5, and 2, thats not actually correct. There just early and late. VQ, then VP was the first model to introduce series'

[naf33n]

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,
besides that it was pretty straight foward, he never mentioned anything about a different starter motor, or different exhaust, but he does have a aftermarket exhaust,

oh and no you cant use the vn ecu, it has a different motor, you need a vs manual computer or possibly swap around some wire to get the vs auto to pick up the reverse signal

[ecotec38]

Thanks for the replies, i was also wondering if i was to buy a flywheel off a series 1 vs commodore which ran the t5 i believe would that mean i wouldn't have to get it mirror balanced to suit the flex plate because it had already had been balanced to suit that engine?
Cheers

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by naf33n

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,

Having owned quite a few VN's, and done plenty manual/auto conversions. Not one of them had a cable driven speedo. All had an electronic sender.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by ecotec38

Hi all, i currently have just purchased a t5 conversion with most parts included out of a series 1 vn v6 which i plan to install myself into my vs series 11 v6 commodore but have a few questions first.
P.S The t5 conversion come with starter motor, manual tailshaft, ECU, pedal box, crossmember, y piece for exhaust, t5 borgwarner gearbox to suit v6, 6 bolt flywheel and a dead clutch and pressure plate. All parts are out of a vn series 1

Question 1.
As far as wiring is converned i am pretty hoples so can anybody fill me in as to what ill need, can i use the ecu that was in the vn or will i have to source one out of another car and if so what car? And for wiring looms whats the go, can i use any manual commodore wiring loom or does it need to be specifically out of a certain car?

Wiring is easy. The old loom unplugs and the new one is straight forward plug and play.

Question 2.
Wheres a good place to get a flywheel mirror balanced aorund to northern suberbs of melbourne to suit the flex plate and what price roughly will i be looking at, also keep in mind that i will be machining the flywheel myself.

S1 Fly is different to the later ones. There is a thread about somewhere for it. You will need a S2 flywheel. Check out YellaTerra in the sponsors section of this forum - they sell them new and they are suprisingly inexpensive.

Question 3.
Will the manual starter motor fit any solid flywheel with the 8 bolt pattern eg. vr

From memory the SII Starter was the same as the auto. I don't know about the ecotecs or s1 vn. You would need to check if the ring gear on the fly is the same as the flexplate though to be sure.

Hope this helps

Reaper

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by naf33n

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,
besides that it was pretty straight foward, he never mentioned anything about a different starter motor, or different exhaust, but he does have a aftermarket exhaust,

oh and no you cant use the vn ecu, it has a different motor, you need a vs manual computer or possibly swap around some wire to get the vs auto to pick up the reverse signal

What cable??? The signal might be different but there is no cable involved with the VN.

Reaper

[nicko]

Just buy my VT

[Haydz]

i think youi guys have got this confused.

he is trying to put a t5 on a ecotec.
it is possible but you will have a few problems.

1. the vs uses a hydraulic clutch. and the vn uses a cable clutch.
2. The 6 bolt flywheel you have wont fit.
3. You will not be able to use the computer. you will have to either get a manual vs computer or get somewhere to modify your memcal so you get rid of the auto codes.


wiring it to use the auto computer is pretty easy. i have written a how to on it.

[ecotec38]

Originally Posted by Haydz

i think youi guys have got this confused.

he is trying to put a t5 on a ecotec.
it is possible but you will have a few problems.

1. the vs uses a hydraulic clutch. and the vn uses a cable clutch.
2. The 6 bolt flywheel you have wont fit.
3. You will not be able to use the computer. you will have to either get a manual vs computer or get somewhere to modify your memcal so you get rid of the auto codes.


wiring it to use the auto computer is pretty easy. i have written a how to on it.

In regards to the flywheel i have been looking around at various wreckers for a 8 bolt flywheel and have realised they are VERY hard to come across, is there anywhere that sells replacement ones for a decent price also when wiring it to the auto computer with a modifed memcal is there any draw backs of this method, im not sure but i thought i read somewhere that the idle fluctuates and sometime it stalls when you go to put the clutch in?

Sorry for the mass amounts of questions but im just eager to learn what i need to do so i can start this damned project.
Cheers

[naf33n]

Originally Posted by Reaper

What cable??? The signal might be different but there is no cable involved with the VN.

Reaper

hmm, well he is an idiot then, he speedo doesnt work, and he said its because the gearbox is cable driven and the vs is electric it wont work, i never really asked any question after that


did you get a new car reaper or am i missing something??

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by naf33n

hmm, well he is an idiot then, he speedo doesnt work, and he said its because the gearbox is cable driven and the vs is electric it wont work, i never really asked any question after that


did you get a new car reaper or am i missing something??

eh?? oh... yeah.... needed a new one.

Reaper

[Haydz]

all i can say is good luck your going to need it...