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[ecotec38]

Hi all, i currently have just purchased a t5 conversion with most parts included out of a series 1 vn v6 which i plan to install myself into my vs series 11 v6 commodore but have a few questions first.
P.S The t5 conversion come with starter motor, manual tailshaft, ECU, pedal box, crossmember, y piece for exhaust, t5 borgwarner gearbox to suit v6, 6 bolt flywheel and a dead clutch and pressure plate. All parts are out of a vn series 1

Question 1.
As far as wiring is converned i am pretty hoples so can anybody fill me in as to what ill need, can i use the ecu that was in the vn or will i have to source one out of another car and if so what car? And for wiring looms whats the go, can i use any manual commodore wiring loom or does it need to be specifically out of a certain car?

Question 2.
Wheres a good place to get a flywheel mirror balanced aorund to northern suberbs of melbourne to suit the flex plate and what price roughly will i be looking at, also keep in mind that i will be machining the flywheel myself.

Question 3.
Will the manual starter motor fit any solid flywheel with the 8 bolt pattern eg. vr

Sorry for the long post, all help will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

[STEALTHY™]

Can't help with the questions you've asked, but i was pretty sure VN series 1 had a different setup to every other manual after it.


Also, whilst there reffered to as series 1, 1.5, and 2, thats not actually correct. There just early and late. VQ, then VP was the first model to introduce series'

[naf33n]

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,
besides that it was pretty straight foward, he never mentioned anything about a different starter motor, or different exhaust, but he does have a aftermarket exhaust,

oh and no you cant use the vn ecu, it has a different motor, you need a vs manual computer or possibly swap around some wire to get the vs auto to pick up the reverse signal

[ecotec38]

Thanks for the replies, i was also wondering if i was to buy a flywheel off a series 1 vs commodore which ran the t5 i believe would that mean i wouldn't have to get it mirror balanced to suit the flex plate because it had already had been balanced to suit that engine?
Cheers

[FusionX]

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,

Having owned quite a few VN's, and done plenty manual/auto conversions. Not one of them had a cable driven speedo. All had an electronic sender.

[Reaper]

Hi all, i currently have just purchased a t5 conversion with most parts included out of a series 1 vn v6 which i plan to install myself into my vs series 11 v6 commodore but have a few questions first.
P.S The t5 conversion come with starter motor, manual tailshaft, ECU, pedal box, crossmember, y piece for exhaust, t5 borgwarner gearbox to suit v6, 6 bolt flywheel and a dead clutch and pressure plate. All parts are out of a vn series 1

Question 1.
As far as wiring is converned i am pretty hoples so can anybody fill me in as to what ill need, can i use the ecu that was in the vn or will i have to source one out of another car and if so what car? And for wiring looms whats the go, can i use any manual commodore wiring loom or does it need to be specifically out of a certain car?

Wiring is easy. The old loom unplugs and the new one is straight forward plug and play.

Question 2.
Wheres a good place to get a flywheel mirror balanced aorund to northern suberbs of melbourne to suit the flex plate and what price roughly will i be looking at, also keep in mind that i will be machining the flywheel myself.

S1 Fly is different to the later ones. There is a thread about somewhere for it. You will need a S2 flywheel. Check out YellaTerra in the sponsors section of this forum - they sell them new and they are suprisingly inexpensive.

Question 3.
Will the manual starter motor fit any solid flywheel with the 8 bolt pattern eg. vr

From memory the SII Starter was the same as the auto. I don't know about the ecotecs or s1 vn. You would need to check if the ring gear on the fly is the same as the flexplate though to be sure.

Hope this helps

Reaper

[Reaper]

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,
besides that it was pretty straight foward, he never mentioned anything about a different starter motor, or different exhaust, but he does have a aftermarket exhaust,

oh and no you cant use the vn ecu, it has a different motor, you need a vs manual computer or possibly swap around some wire to get the vs auto to pick up the reverse signal

What cable??? The signal might be different but there is no cable involved with the VN.

Reaper

[nicko]

Just buy my VT

[Haydz]

i think youi guys have got this confused.

he is trying to put a t5 on a ecotec.
it is possible but you will have a few problems.

1. the vs uses a hydraulic clutch. and the vn uses a cable clutch.
2. The 6 bolt flywheel you have wont fit.
3. You will not be able to use the computer. you will have to either get a manual vs computer or get somewhere to modify your memcal so you get rid of the auto codes.


wiring it to use the auto computer is pretty easy. i have written a how to on it.

[ecotec38]

i think youi guys have got this confused.

he is trying to put a t5 on a ecotec.
it is possible but you will have a few problems.

1. the vs uses a hydraulic clutch. and the vn uses a cable clutch.
2. The 6 bolt flywheel you have wont fit.
3. You will not be able to use the computer. you will have to either get a manual vs computer or get somewhere to modify your memcal so you get rid of the auto codes.


wiring it to use the auto computer is pretty easy. i have written a how to on it.

In regards to the flywheel i have been looking around at various wreckers for a 8 bolt flywheel and have realised they are VERY hard to come across, is there anywhere that sells replacement ones for a decent price also when wiring it to the auto computer with a modifed memcal is there any draw backs of this method, im not sure but i thought i read somewhere that the idle fluctuates and sometime it stalls when you go to put the clutch in?

Sorry for the mass amounts of questions but im just eager to learn what i need to do so i can start this damned project.
Cheers

[naf33n]

What cable??? The signal might be different but there is no cable involved with the VN.

Reaper

hmm, well he is an idiot then, he speedo doesnt work, and he said its because the gearbox is cable driven and the vs is electric it wont work, i never really asked any question after that


did you get a new car reaper or am i missing something??

[Reaper]

hmm, well he is an idiot then, he speedo doesnt work, and he said its because the gearbox is cable driven and the vs is electric it wont work, i never really asked any question after that


did you get a new car reaper or am i missing something??

eh?? oh... yeah.... needed a new one.

Reaper

[Haydz]

all i can say is good luck your going to need it...

[Chirpstr]

As far as I'm aware VN series 1 to VS series 1 are all the same T5's and maybe the series 2 VS not 100% on that series 2 though...I think it changed somewhere between series 1 and 3 to hydraulic getrag gearbox. I deferentially know the series 1 VS is T5.

I have a series 1 VS flywheel in mine and got it mirror balanced for $120 and that included machining...

VN series 2 to VS series 1 maybe 2 all the T5's flywheels (8 bolt) are the same and so should the starters VN series 1 to VS series 1, again not sure on series 2.
Align the flywheel that came with the VN conversion with the flywheel you'll have to get and make sure the ring gear lines up. (same no. of teeth for the manual starter to work)
Don't line it up with the auto flexplate because it will be offset.

Hopefully I didn't confuse you on all of this.

[ecotec38]

all i can say is good luck your going to need it...

lol thanks man, im really looking forward to it ,should be a good learing experience

As far as I'm aware VN series 1 to VS series 1 are all the same T5's and maybe the series 2 VS not 100% on that series 2 though...I think it changed somewhere between series 1 and 3 to hydraulic getrag gearbox. I deferentially know the series 1 VS is T5.

I have a series 1 VS flywheel in mine and got it mirror balanced for $120 and that included machining...

VN series 2 to VS series 1 maybe 2 all the T5's flywheels (8 bolt) are the same and so should the starters VN series 1 to VS series 1, again not sure on series 2.
Align the flywheel that came with the VN conversion with the flywheel you'll have to get and make sure the ring gear lines up. (same no. of teeth for the manual starter to work)
Don't line it up with the auto flexplate because it will be offset.

Hopefully I didn't confuse you on all of this.

Very helpful, thanks for all the advice

[VrWagz1]

Im pretty sure all series 2 vs had getrag box and hydraulic clutch, but i dont see a problem(as far as fitting) the t5 with cable into the series 2 and 3, as they are still the same car with the same motor. So no problems there, just get a new flywheel from a series2 vn to series 1 vs and it should fit fine. Dont forget to bridge out the old start inhibitor switch on the old auto gear shifter.
Check this out if you havnt already. And maybe speak to DrBob about the ecu if you need to.
The complete Vn-Vr Manual Conversion Guide.

[Haydz]

there were other notable changes on the series one vn boxes. they had a different vibration dampener and also i think it has a different bellhousing.

[fitzy2005]

my mate did the same conversion, and your speedo wont work because vs have electric sender, vn have a cable,
besides that it was pretty straight foward, he never mentioned anything about a different starter motor, or different exhaust, but he does have a aftermarket exhaust,

oh and no you cant use the vn ecu, it has a different motor, you need a vs manual computer or possibly swap around some wire to get the vs auto to pick up the reverse signal

hmm, well he is an idiot then, he speedo doesnt work, and he said its because the gearbox is cable driven and the vs is electric it wont work, i never really asked any question after that


did you get a new car reaper or am i missing something??

if you have a computer that suits the t5 (NOT GETRAG) works fine as my conversion is now done

had so many places say the auto computer would run the t5 speedo it but it doesnt (made aware by doctor bob )

researched from Rob's Creative Calibrations - Memcal Listings

BPYP???? $51 3.8L Man (T5) 16199728 VS start of production - (4-wire O2)



BWLU???? $51 3.8L Man (T5) 16199728 Revised Cold Hesitation and Ping fix (2wire O2)



BWLS1281 $51 3.8L Man (T5) 16199728 Revised Cold Hesitation and Ping fix (4wire O2)



BWPK1634 $51 3.8L Man (T5) 16199728 Revised CanPurge and all service fixes applied.



quick picture to show how i figured out codes etc





there are alternative computers that will run the t5 speedo, pm you and ill help out

[ecotec38]

fitzy, as you seem to have a much broader knowledge of this subject i was wondering whether you knew if this ecu(see below) is what im looking for as the whole subject confuses the hell out of me, so correct me if im wrong but i want i ecu out of a series 1 vs manual not series 2 or 3 as they ran the getrag box and wouldn't be compatible with the t5 or doesn't it really matter what ecu as long as its out of a vs manual.

VS COMMODORE ECU COMPUTER - eBay, Other Car Parts, Accessories, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 07-Sep-08 14:18:14 AEST)

[ecotec38]

sorry i know this is an old thread but i cbf starting a new one and posting all the above information again anyway i just brought a vs s1 manual ecu and was wondering how hard it is to modify the auto loom to suit or is it not worth it, am i better of looking for a vs s1 manual loom? I know in The complete Vn-Vr Manual Conversion Guide. at the start of the thread there is mention of modifying the auto loom but to suit an auto ecu. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[scrabet]

im pretty sure you just pull the ecu out and put the manual one in some please correct me if im wrong

il also be doing the conversion in the next week or to once i can use my hand