Camira/Barina Springs IRS

[tr3nt]

Hey guys.. a post Stocky showed me the other day on SC about using camira or barina springs in a IRS commodore got me thinking..

Someone on SC has posted:

Fitting these types of spring will wreck your car
It will bend the K frame if its not already bent as to fit most of these springs you need to cut the original steel bump stops down so you at least have 1/2" of compression when driving(Not enough) and that's with out passengers

Seriously if you have to DRIVE this low get bags
At least once you realise how much damage you can do you can raise it back up again if its not too late

Nearly all the people who go this way regret it

Take it from me
I have seen so many damaged cars come in with these springs to get drop in bags $777 that won't damage your car and does not need shorten shocks to keep the spring from falling out
At least the bags I sell have a internal bump stop

If you cannot afford to lower your car the correct way my advice is to save your $ and do it once and safely

Now while I agree, it's rediculously low, and VERY undrivable if you have anything bigger than 15x6 on the rear.. I still can't figure out how this will cause so much damage, apart from extreme camber, and chewing out the hell of your back tires unevenly.

Where the post explains about cutting the metal on the bumpstops, I disgree, I have TD camira springs currently in the back of the VP and my bumpstops are in tact!

Please, post up opinions.. Those of which saying "your car looks arse like that" need not be made, whereas opinions on using these springs are.

[azkwazere]

It all comes down to the modified dynamics.

You've added a softer spring with reduced compression capabilities. It will bottom out faster and harder than a regular spring.

When you buy kings or pedders, although the spring is shorter, there are more coils to take the load of the reduced travel, ie, there stiffer.

The camira springs wont take the load. Therefore, the energy has to go somewhere else once the spring maxes out... which is on your control arms... they bolt to your cradle etc...

Basically, i agree with the sc to a point. It will do damage, how much is up to how the car is driven etc...

aZk.

EDIT: also, having your wheels like that with camber is really bad too... It places more stress on the axles and suspension... plus it ****s your tyres!

it actually doesnt look so bad in those pics...

[James_yo7]

yeah i don't think im bending my K frame. Iv got my bottom and top stops in and i check everything regularly. apart from chewing through brand new 18's down to wire within 2 months and killing my fuel tank softly im not doing any other damage.

[Nanos]

yes using those springs worsk. but as stated it will but extra wear on parts. Things such as driveshafts. Most IRS commodores that are low will bust cv joints very easy.

also as stated the handling will not be as good as spring rates are not right.

if your happy with it then its your car. thats whats so good about the modified car scene you can have your car the way you want.

It would not be my choice to have it that way as i like to have the car handle corners and if you have driven something with well setup suspension then you would understand the difference between low and a good set up suspension.

[tr3nt]

Yeah.. of course.. I realise it won't handle 100% thru corners.. it was a bit of a struggle thru Mt Dandy twisties last FG meet.. I used to have a real good suspension setup on my old VR.. can definately tell the difference..

[Calaber]

Apart from lowering the ride height, why did you do it? It doesn't sound like a very sensible or safe modification. The Camira was a very lightweight car, about 1100 kg, and you have put the springs into a vehicle weighing about 40% more. Your vehicle dynamics would be severely hampered by much softer springs, reduced suspension travel and grossly increased rear camber. I can't see any sound reason for this modification.