[SA] new P plater laws coming in about driving a V8??

[mike49]

has anyone heard anything? i hope they dont, im really having my heart set on getting a V8 vs/vr stato

[HAZZA-VN]

They have been saying that for years, and they were talking about making it so you needed a permit to drive a high powered car such as a v8

[STEALTHY™]

If it does come in, like all the other states, it will only apply to NEW licence holders. If your already on your P's, you'll go by the conditions that were set when you got your license.

[MovieDude]

I am not convinced that a V8 is necessarily more powerful than say a V6 in an R32 or (previous model) M3 or the straight 4s in the Evo X and WRX STI. Each is a dangerous weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver.

[mike49]

yeh, the old holden 6's, done up right they go better then V8's

[Farlig]

I am not convinced that a V8 is necessarily more powerful than say a V6 in an R32 or (previous model) M3 or the straight 4s in the Evo X and WRX STI. Each is a dangerous weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver.

never new nissan made an R32 with v6?

but i would rather see a P plater in a 5L vs, than a v6 ve! there is nothing "high powered" about an old stock v8 lol

[DARK SIDE]

If it does come in, like all the other states, it will only apply to NEW licence holders. If your already on your P's, you'll go by the conditions that were set when you got your license.

music to my ears

[DARK SIDE]

never new nissan made an R32 with v6?

but i would rather see a P plater in a 5L vs, than a v6 ve! there is nothing "high powered" about an old stock v8 lol

hahaha yea they are straight 6 lol, I agree Stephen but if they bring in the law there is a power to weight ratio limit. So if you have a 195kw high output v6 ve then it may still be illegal as well.

[Farlig]

No officer my 427 v8 is legal on my P's, when im wearing my sumo suit

[CANYONERO]

I think he could be talking about a VW R32

[StockoVRWagz]

Restrict them to 4 banger FWD's

Worst thing you can do in them is put maccas trays under the back wheels, put the hand brake on and drive around on school ovals.

[CANYONERO]

lol, ahhh the good old days, i mean. OMG thats so immature

[ashbox]

yeah but it doesn't matter what engine you have in a car they can be just as dangerous

[MovieDude]

All the more reason that if a law is to be introduced it is done so based on something more representative of power like cubic capacity or kw output and not the number of cylinders.

[1991_Vn2nV]

but i would rather see a P plater in a 5L vs, than a v6 ve! there is nothing "high powered" about an old stock v8 lol

A 5L VS is still faster than a V6 VE though?

I would rather see them in the slower vehicle with the airbags and ESP and other safety features than the faster car with a sloppy chassis and no safety feature other than seatbelts and ABS.

All the more reason that if a law is to be introduced it is done so based on something more representative of power like cubic capacity or kw output and not the number of cylinders.

How would cubic capacity be much different to the number of cylinders. You would think a cubic capacity would cut off anything 4L and above, which is only really V8 anyway, and I don't see how cubic capacity is more representative of power than the number of cylinders. The same goes for pure kw output. A 190kw VE isn't quicker than a 165kw VN SS. Power to weight ratio is the most accurate way of doing it.

On a side note, I would assume it would be V8 and turbo/supercharged vehicles. So WRX, turbo skylines etc. would be ruled out as well.

[STEALTHY™]

Thread derailed much!

[MovieDude]

How would cubic capacity be much different to the number of cylinders. You would think a cubic capacity would cut off anything 4L and above, which is only really V8 anyway, and I don't see how cubic capacity is more representative of power than the number of cylinders. The same goes for pure kw output. A 190kw VE isn't quicker than a 165kw VN SS. Power to weight ratio is the most accurate way of doing it.

Based on cc I would expect the threshold to be 3000 or even less. Most P platers drive Hyundai Excels anyway don't they?
Based on number of cylinders we would see P platers unable to drive their grandad's twenty-year old V8 but allowed to drive their mum's GTI.
Power to weight would come a cropper for small engined small cars like the Mini Cooper.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Based on cc I would expect the threshold to be 3000 or even less. Most P platers drive Hyundai Excels anyway don't they?
Based on number of cylinders we would see P platers unable to drive their grandad's twenty-year old V8 but allowed to drive their mum's GTI.
Power to weight would come a cropper for small engined small cars like the Mini Cooper.

Power to weight is the most efficient way (without it getting overly complicated) of measuring a cars acceleration or 'pace' for lack of a better word.

So you would rather see cubic capacity come in and stop people driving any sort of commodore or falcon in Australia? Restrict a considerable amount of the population from buying any current Australian made vehicle?

[BLOWN R8]

doesnt matter what they drive, ive towed fatals where its been vw's and fiat's to commodores... all comes down to the driver themselves...

[DARK SIDE]

doesnt matter what they drive, ive towed fatals where its been vw's and fiat's to commodores... all comes down to the driver themselves...

Spot on Adrian, the laws have not made any real difference interstate. The government just brings out these glossy laws so it looks like they are doing something. If someone is going to drive like a fu*kwit they will do it in any car.

[DARK SIDE]

[QUOTE=1991_Vn2nV;1119846]A 5L VS is still faster than a V6 VE though QUOTE]

I think the new SV6 might actually be faster than the old 5L. The SV6 has a 195kw 3.6L engine don’t forget.

[MovieDude]

Power to weight is the most efficient way (without it getting overly complicated) of measuring a cars acceleration or 'pace' for lack of a better word.

So you would rather see cubic capacity come in and stop people driving any sort of commodore or falcon in Australia? Restrict a considerable amount of the population from buying any current Australian made vehicle?

Come on let's not get things out of proportion. Both 'Australian' car makes Holden and Ford make more than just V8s and engines over 3000cc. In fact these are the minority in their range. Take a look at the roads and you will see more Japanese and other imported cars than our so-called home-grown cars and most of them are under 3000cc and straight fours.
"Considerable amount of the population" - I think not. We're talking about P platers.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Come on let's not get things out of proportion. Both 'Australian' car makes Holden and Ford make more than just V8s and engines over 3000cc. In fact these are the minority in their range. Take a look at the roads and you will see more Japanese and other imported cars than our so-called home-grown cars and most of them are under 3000cc and straight fours.
"Considerable amount of the population" - I think not. We're talking about P platers.

Ermm ok so name 1 car made by Holden or 1 car made by Ford Aus at this present time that is fitted with an engine under 3000cc? Not sure where you're living but in this country Holden only make the Commodore and Ford only make the Falcon and Territory

Considerable does not mean majority, P platers are a significant chunk of the driving population.

[1991_Vn2nV]

A 5L VS is still faster than a V6 VE though

I think the new SV6 might actually be faster than the old 5L. The SV6 has a 195kw 3.6L engine don’t forget.

It also weighs over 1.7 tonne, and produces 45nm of torque less than the old 5L and it doesn't even make that much power until you hit redline Nevertheless I was referring to the standard V6 rather than the high output V6 but I guess both are relevant.

[greenfoam]

I think the new SV6 might actually be faster than the old 5L. The SV6 has a 195kw 3.6L engine don’t forget.

The VN 5 litre went 15.1 on the 1/4 mile in wheels magazine with driver + passenger full load of fuel etc. At the drags any VN-P 5 litre in decent running condition can cut a high 14. Try that in a VE V6 sometime. Like VN2NV said more torque, lots less weight you don't have both those in your favour and loose in acceleration