king spring height

[kngsv6]

hey mate i am considering buying some new king springs.
i got a vz sv6 and jus wondering by how much mm's would king spring ssl's with monro gt shocks lower my car.
and also are they legal?

cheers

[kcpwns]

i think ssl's are 70mm..anyone correct me I am wrong?
i know the superlows are 50mm..
dunno bout the shocks sorry

[soop]

Wont be legal, but then nothing is lol.
You'll get away with superlows though.

[kcpwns]

Wont be legal, but then nothing is lol.
You'll get away with superlows though.

well the thing is..go illegal and be super sexy looking, but have no insurance...
or have it bare minimum and if you crash the car its all covered

[kngsv6]

hard decisionnnnn.. ill see how i go

[soop]

well the thing is..go illegal and be super sexy looking, but have no insurance...
or have it bare minimum and if you crash the car its all covered

meh, you just put it back to standard before accessor see it

[kcpwns]

meh, you just put it back to standard before accessor see it

hahaha soop thats funny as...sadly i didnt think of that...
kngsv6 i recon the king spring superlows look sick and im pretty sure they are legal
but if ya went lower i think you lose ride handling aswell as prolly not being legal
correct me if im wrong anyone...
but at the end of the day its all personal choice,
hope we helped

[kngsv6]

yeah i want superlows but the thing is i found a set of ssl dirt cheap so yeh.
mite just wait around if i can find some cheap super lows

[JustDylan]

If you get superlows youll always want it that tiny bit lower, go ssl. theyre a compromise between looks and practicality

[gslrallysport]

hey mate i am considering buying some new king springs.
i got a vz sv6 and jus wondering by how much mm's would king spring ssl's with monro gt shocks lower my car.
and also are they legal?

cheers

SSL on an SV6 would be *roughly* 335/325mm front/rear hub to guard respectively, and would be below legal height.

Which GT were you looking at running, GT Sport or GT Gas?

[kngsv6]

doesnt specify which gt's they are. would it make a difference which one it is?

[gslrallysport]

GT Gas aren't worth putting on a ride on mower. GT Sport are the equivalent something like KYB, but generally more expensive. Although we do Monroe, for us it's VERY hard to justify a customer spending more on GT Sport when there's better products like Boge and KYB available for less.

[vr1uz-fe]

hahaha soop thats funny as...sadly i didnt think of that...
kngsv6 i recon the king spring superlows look sick and im pretty sure they are legal
but if ya went lower i think you lose ride handling aswell as prolly not being legal
correct me if im wrong anyone...
but at the end of the day its all personal choice,
hope we helped

how would you lose handiling when a lowerd spring is stiffer and they drop your roll center

[vr1uz-fe]

GT Gas aren't worth putting on a ride on mower. GT Sport are the equivalent something like KYB, but generally more expensive. Although we do Monroe, for us it's VERY hard to justify a customer spending more on GT Sport when there's better products like Boge and KYB available for less.

what's so good about boge and kyb

[gslrallysport]

how would you lose handiling when a lowerd spring is stiffer and they drop your roll center

Why do you beleive that a stiffer spring is going to make the car handle better?

[vr1uz-fe]

no but it will decrease body roll even though the sway bars are meant to do this but a lower spring will increase handiling but they can play around with the geometry but holdens are pretty good with a mild drop

[kcpwns]

how would you lose handiling when a lowerd spring is stiffer and they drop your roll center

sorry mate im referring to my experience and by handling im saying smoothness of the overall ride...
my bad should have clarified**

[kngsv6]

hmm. cheers guys. im gona stick with superlows as I dont want to void my insurance and such.

would you need shocks if your goin super low all roung?

[soop]

no but it will decrease body roll even though the sway bars are meant to do this but a lower spring will increase handiling but they can play around with the geometry but holdens are pretty good with a mild drop

Handling characteristics are dictated by the Spring AND damp rate.
SSSL in a VR with Monroe shorten shocks wont handle better. Might not be worse but certainly not better.

(It will destroy your spine though)

[gslrallysport]

no but it will decrease body roll

Why do you think decreasing body roll will automatically increase handling? I don't mean to sound trivial, but I don't think you understand what you don't understand... if that makes sense. Sort of like not knowing what you don't know.

It depends how you determine handling. If it means driving like a go kart and having your teeth rattled out then fine. But if it means the ability to go around a corner, road, or stage, as quickly as possible, then stiffer springs and less body roll certainly does NOT automatically equal better handling. Great example is look at WRC cars, which make any given piece of real world (not race track) road like like a set of rails, and you'd be surprised just how soft they run the springs. Watch the weight transfer under brakes...

Also handling, is very personal, and a softer, higher grip/less response setup, might suit some more than a stiffer, less grip/higher response setup. In 2008 when I won the QLD Hyundai Max Attack Challenge, I ran 160lbs front, and 120lbs rear springs with NO sway bars at all, and was untouchable as most of the field was running 200lbs front, and 160lbs rear, with at least 1, of both sway bars still in the car. That suited me as I like the softer setup, which results in more available grip. Trade off is less response, but that suits me fine, as I'm confident enough to back it into a corner once, and know it was the right line. Others may not be so confident, so may like a car with less available grip (stiffer setup) but more options to adjust the car mid corner.

Now because I had very high quality shocks in the car (DMS) that have good separation of high and low speed bump control, body roll wasn't an issue, as the low speed bump was still stiff enough to keep the car in check. That's not a luxury you get on a cheap street shock, but it's also not the moral of the story...

[kcpwns]

Why do you think decreasing body roll will automatically increase handling? I don't mean to sound trivial, but I don't think you understand what you don't understand... if that makes sense. Sort of like not knowing what you don't know.

It depends how you determine handling. If it means driving like a go kart and having your teeth rattled out then fine. But if it means the ability to go around a corner, road, or stage, as quickly as possible, then stiffer springs and less body roll certainly does NOT automatically equal better handling. Great example is look at WRC cars, which make any given piece of real world (not race track) road like like a set of rails, and you'd be surprised just how soft they run the springs. Watch the weight transfer under brakes...

Also handling, is very personal, and a softer, higher grip/less response setup, might suit some more than a stiffer, less grip/higher response setup. In 2008 when I won the QLD Hyundai Max Attack Challenge, I ran 160lbs front, and 120lbs rear springs with NO sway bars at all, and was untouchable as most of the field was running 200lbs front, and 160lbs rear, with at least 1, of both sway bars still in the car. That suited me as I like the softer setup, which results in more available grip. Trade off is less response, but that suits me fine, as I'm confident enough to back it into a corner once, and know it was the right line. Others may not be so confident, so may like a car with less available grip (stiffer setup) but more options to adjust the car mid corner.

Now because I had very high quality shocks in the car (DMS) that have good separation of high and low speed bump control, body roll wasn't an issue, as the low speed bump was still stiff enough to keep the car in check. That's not a luxury you get on a cheap street shock, but it's also not the moral of the story...

Thanks for clearing that up mate
always good to learn something new lol

[juzzy91]

if ur looking at keeping it legal hieght and dnt want any action frm the cops then go with lows in the frnt and sedan superlows for the back,dnt go h/d coz they will be stiff and are higher then standard sl springs!!!

[BPX-31H]

Looking at lowering my car by only about a 1" and still want to run in on the monroe shocks i have currently i am considering FE2's but i wouldd like to know if superlow/sportlows wuill drop it about that and keep it a nice ride?

[fullpower]

just keep the super lows mate

[BPX-31H]

im considering the Lovell sports, cause they lower it 25-40mm and can be placed on the existing shocks