JCCC Federal Election Polls

[Jesterarts]

Just curious to see who people would vote for as #1. if a Federal Election was called tomorrow.

I read the polls in the papers, etc but each seems to have different results.

So, welcome to the JCCC Election.

Please vote and also back up your vote with the policies of your chosen Party you are particularly fond of.

[Jesterarts]

My reason:

Abbotts commitment to scrapping the Carbon Tax. There are other reason but this one thing alot has my vote.

[minux]

The polls are pretty consistant Jester, they are all saying this pathetic government would be decimated if an election were held now lol.

[monkeys437]

Its already looking like the money being given out due to compensation for the tax and the cost of the bureaucratic process to distribute the money will be more than the amount thats raised by the tax itself. Doesnt sound like much will be left over for the environment

[Reaper]

Its already looking like the money being given out due to compensation for the tax and the cost of the bureaucratic process to distribute the money will be more than the amount thats raised by the tax itself. Doesnt sound like much will be left over for the environment

That has always been the way. This so called "revenue neutral" system is going to cost around $4bill over the available budget period. God knows how much into the future when companies can buy foreign carbon permits that AusGovCo doesn't get the money for, yet are still obliged to pay the outgoings committed to. This system (unlike C02) stinks to high heaven!

Reaper

[Vee-ard]

I remember reading a report on the chile volcano eruption recently that stated that the volcano released more carbon into the atmosphere than the past 200 years of human civilization. Kinda seems pointless to tax carbon if that's the case.

However, I'll always vote Labor. I don't give a rats ass that they're bringing in the carbon tax. I'm a working class guy and I don't want to have to put up with another 11 years of Liberal style industrial relations. To everyone complaining about "liar liar" Gillard, you're quick to forget "never ever" Howard's GST.

The only reason we have a carbon tax at the moment is because the Liberals cant get it together enough to understand that nobody wants Abbott the Rabbit as PM, so they don't get enough votes to shoo it in, resulting in a minority government where the Greens have all the power. Swinging voters (read: previous labor voters who just cant bring themselves to vote liberal) who don't like either party and think voting green is a suitable alternative piss me off.

[1SIKR8]

Where was the sex party in all of this lol

See what happens when a women finds her way out of the kitchen .... Everyone gets upset

[50LTRv8]

I remember reading a report on the chile volcano eruption recently that stated that the volcano released more carbon into the atmosphere than the past 200 years of human civilization. Kinda seems pointless to tax carbon if that's the case.

However, I'll always vote Labor. I don't give a rats ass that they're bringing in the carbon tax. I'm a working class guy and I don't want to have to put up with another 11 years of Liberal style industrial relations. To everyone complaining about "liar liar" Gillard, you're quick to forget "never ever" Howard's GST.

The only reason we have a carbon tax at the moment is because the Liberals cant get it together enough to understand that nobody wants Abbott the Rabbit as PM, so they don't get enough votes to shoo it in, resulting in a minority government where the Greens have all the power. Swinging voters (read: previous labor voters who just cant bring themselves to vote liberal) who don't like either party and think voting green is a suitable alternative piss me off.

Howard took the GST to an election

[minux]

However, I'll always vote Labor. I don't give a rats ass that they're bringing in the carbon tax. I'm a working class guy and I don't want to have to put up with another 11 years of Liberal style industrial relations.

Ahh, so you are a worker who is unproductive and unskilled? Explains most labor voters.

To everyone complaining about "liar liar" Gillard, you're quick to forget "never ever" Howard's GST.

You mean the GST he took to an election and won? No point letting FACTS get in the way of a good bullshit story is there?

The only reason we have a carbon tax at the moment is because the Liberals cant get it together enough to understand that nobody wants Abbott the Rabbit as PM, so they don't get enough votes to shoo it in, resulting in a minority government where the Greens have all the power. Swinging voters (read: previous labor voters who just cant bring themselves to vote liberal) who don't like either party and think voting green is a suitable alternative piss me off.

What a load of shit. Abbott leads Gillard in every poll, liberals 2PP based on flawed 2010 election preferencing lead 58 to 42. The only reason we are getting a carbon tax is because 144 House of reps seats were decided on parties having no carbon tax.

You know how Gillard said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"?

[Vee-ard]

Ahh, so you are a worker who is unproductive and unskilled? Explains most labor voters.

Unproductive? Questionable. Unskilled? Technically, yes. (3rd Year Plant Mechanic) Would I get $5500 worth of tools under a Liberal government?

You mean the GST he took to an election and won? No point letting FACTS get in the way of a good bullshit story is there?

Thanks for highlighting my point about how fast everyone forgot how he promised to NEVER bring a tax in, and yet did it anyway.

What a load of shit. Abbott leads Gillard in every poll, liberals 2PP based on flawed 2010 election preferencing lead 58 to 42. The only reason we are getting a carbon tax is because 144 House of reps seats were decided on parties having no carbon tax.

Maybe you should read between the lines, or better yet, actually read the lines themselves. I never said Labor was 2PP over liberal, I said Nobody wanted Abbott as preferred PM, Gillard 53% to Abbott's 26% @ 2010 election, anyone? And yes Minux, all politicians lie, some better than others.

You know how Gillard said "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"?

I do, yes. Remember Howard's "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election." ?

You should really stop being so condescending all the time.

[1SIKR8]

Un skilled in your 3rd year ? Must not get much work or you didn't pay attention at Tafe?

I'm a 3rd year plant mechanic and there is no way I could say I'm unskilled
After going to Tafe and the jobs I have done and I work on a council

[Jesterarts]

Thanks for highlighting my point about how fast everyone forgot how he promised to NEVER bring a tax in, and yet did it anyway.

Yeah, but then he took it to an election and was voted back in.

It Labor took the Carbon Tax to an election and got voted back, then sure, fair enough. Stupid decision but apparently what people want. Instead they are inplementing it as fast as possible RIGHT after an election in which they promised not to and implementing it in a way that will make it very, very difficult for the Liberals to undo once they get back in next election.

That's the big difference between the Howard Goverment and the current Labor goverment. Howard broke promises but gave voters an opprotunity to burn him for it before implementing, Labor broke their promise, told everyone they actually misunderstood and not are attempting to convince everyone that everyone wants the Carbon Tax but don't have the balls to take it to an election. Cowardly politics.

[Vee-ard]

Yeah, but then he took it to an election and was voted back in.

It Labor took the Carbon Tax to an election and got voted back, then sure, fair enough. Stupid decision but apparently what people want. Instead they are inplementing it as fast as possible RIGHT after an election in which they promised not to and implementing it in a way that will make it very, very difficult for the Liberals to undo once they get back in next election.

That's the big difference between the Howard Goverment and the current Labor goverment. Howard broke promises but gave voters an opprotunity to burn him for it before implementing, Labor broke their promise, told everyone they actually misunderstood and not are attempting to convince everyone that everyone wants the Carbon Tax but don't have the balls to take it to an election. Cowardly politics.

Jester, don't mistake what he did as "an opportunity to burn him for it". In order to not get laughed out of that election for trying to bring in the GST, he softened or reversed every other unpopular policy the liberal government had at that time, apart from the "sorry" issue and the Tampa crisis. This, along with an economic turnaround that he had next to nothing to do with resulted in him being re-elected.

Also, you can hardly blame the government for implementing hard to reverse programs, because they, like me, worry about the stupidity of the inevitable next liberal government. Of course we should be cementing things like the NBN and better industrial relations because as soon as the liberals get in, they'll cancel everything the government put in place, saving money and then chalk up the savings impact this has on the budget as better fiscal management. They do it all the time. You cant tell me the Liberals will even TRY to reverse the Carbon tax. They'll simultaneously get the financial benefits from it, as well as having already wiped their hands clean of any responsibility for bringing it in. Then we'll be stuck with stupid policies benefiting the rich for the next 11 years again because voters will gobble it up.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the carbon tax, I just hate arrogant liberals. Case-in-point: minux, who believes that because I vote labor, I'm unskilled and unproductive.

Perhaps his time would be better spent administrating a car forum not associated with the proles and more worthy of his presence, IE: the BMW forum or some other car maker renowned for being popular with the pseudo-wealthy office workers.

Not going to get pulled into a drawn out argument on this either. That's my two cents and I have a night shift to get to.

[Vee-ard]

Un skilled in your 3rd year ? Must not get much work or you didn't pay attention at Tafe?

I'm a 3rd year plant mechanic and there is no way I could say I'm unskilled
After going to Tafe and the jobs I have done and I work on a council

Unskilled, meaning I dont have a trade certificate. The government doesnt recognise you as skilled just because you're a 3rd year apprentice.

[Jesterarts]

Also, you can hardly blame the government for implementing hard to reverse programs, because they, like me, worry about the stupidity of the inevitable next liberal government. Of course we should be cementing things like the NBN and better industrial relations because as soon as the liberals get in, they'll cancel everything the government put in place, saving money and then chalk up the savings impact this has on the budget as better fiscal management.

Bahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Much lolz to be had there.

Perhaps the current goverment should focus on it's own stupidity.

Both the policies you mentioned, the carbon tax and the nbn are the stupidest things possible for this country.

An enviromental tex that will do nothing for the environment and a blistering quick internet that no one will have a use for and it will be slowed down by the goverment filtering.

[monkeys437]

However, I'll always vote Labor. I don't give a rats ass that they're bringing in the carbon tax. I'm a working class guy and I don't want to have to put up with another 11 years of Liberal style industrial relations. To everyone complaining about "liar liar" Gillard, you're quick to forget "never ever" Howard's GST.

Howard changed his mind on the GST, Gillard changed her mind on the carbon tax.

Howard went to an election to seek the publics approval to change his policy and we gave him the OK

Gillard spat in the face of the people that voted for her and her party and backflipped on her carbon tax promise.
And the worst part is, Kevin Rudd has said on national television that Juila gillard walked into his office when he was PM and told him to abandon his Emissions trading scheme because it was unpopular. Did she do the same with her unpopular carbon tax?

She is a Liar, Hypocrite and has not one shred of integrity.

[Julie]

The only thing I would do differently in my vote now would be to take the extra time and allocate my own preferences putting labor and greens right down the very very bottom. The only reason we have this carbon tax is Juliar is a power hungry bitch who will do anything to keep her bedfellow greens happy, lose their support and she will lose her job. She couldn't give a flying #### about us.

[minux]

Also, you can hardly blame the government for implementing hard to reverse programs, because they, like me, worry about the stupidity of the inevitable next liberal government.

Ah yes those liberal hair brain schemes. Darn it. Labor are just so good at their schemes.

Insulation scheme - Decimated the insulation industry, killed workers, burnt down homes, rorted by companies...yes what a success.

Solar Hot water scheme - Rorted yet again.

$900 Hand outs for low income earners...oh look where that got us, nowhere.

Cash for clunkers - Failed scheme

Boat People policy - When was it gillard had a plan for East Timor and Malaysia? When were they signed? Oh they haven't? What what brilliant policy.

BER - Rorted to the hilt, even a left leaning audit found 2 billion of wasted money. No doubt the real figure is closer to 3 times. Another failed pathetic scheme.

NBN, outing other Telcos to prevent competition, forced net filters, more staff than customers, more outgoing than income. Wow another brilliant scam.

Cattle Industry - Yet another industry decimated by poor policy made on the fly to appease a few animal lovers.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

Give me one policy created by this government and completed by this government ON BUDGET and ON TIME. There has been more policy reversals than policy outcomes. They destroyed a leader because he had lost his way, yet this woman has sent our country backwards faster than a hooker can deal with the navy when a ship arrives in Sydney.

Just curious, how well did Costello do to get us through the Asian crisis? Did we see 60+ billion of debt? Nope. We saw credit. How much of a surplus was Labor left? How much do Labor now borrow daily to repay the debt? Seriously only a fool would think this government deserves any credit.

I would make a comment on the rest of what you posted, but I would prefer to not waste my breath.

[scouser king]

Labor Party becaues iam the ''working class''.I will never vote for Tony Abbott and Liberal Party of Australia they will kill the working class and bring back workchoices.

[minux]

Labor Party becaues iam the ''working class''.I will never vote for Tony Abbott and Liberal Party of Australia they will kill the working class and bring back workchoices.

We could only hope...I mean, imagine a PRODUCTIVE workforce in this country once again where you could not get compensation for being warned 3 times for safety breaches and where employers were not forced to re-instate such employee's.

We can only dream.

[scouser king]

We could only hope...I mean, imagine a PRODUCTIVE workforce in this country once again where you could not get compensation for being warned 3 times for safety breaches and where employers were not forced to re-instate such employee's.

We can only dream.

Not a union man minux.

[Crisis63]

Despite my severe disappointment with Gillard I simply cannot support an overtly religious political leader. While I would rather no carbon tax I don’t think the ultimate consequences will be as dire as the opposition claim. I also don’t necessarily believe it is the way to force industry to clean up their act,. For the majority will simply pass on the extra costs to us. For all the claims of misleading the public, saying one thing and doing the other , c’mon. The libs did the same thing with the GST which in my opinion was far worse. Oh and don’t forget Work Choices. I seriously dont want my kids to have to deal with that kind of industrial relations policy now they are close to joining the workforce

I would actually like to vote for some joke party , i.e. all the rest , but that is actually how we ended up in this situation,. By not giving either major party a clear majority they were forced to get into bed with the independent loons. Running a country by allowing representatives of individual electorates a far larger say than their votes were worth is not a way to govern. I hope above all, whoever wins the next election do so with a good majority that will marginalise the likes of the nihilist greens and all the other independents.

[Crisis63]

Howard took the GST to an election

Although he did say he would never have GST before that. I guess he changed his mind huh. And as they barely scraped in and also had to use other parties to get it through it was hardly a mandate. I rekon the people who voted Democrat didn’t think they were voting for it.

[minux]

Although he did say he would never have GST before that. I guess he changed his mind huh. And as they barely scraped in and also had to use other parties to get it through it was hardly a mandate. I rekon the people who voted Democrat didn’t think they were voting for it.

If Gillard did the same thing I or many other voters would not have an issue with it. She did say multiple times THERE WOULD BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD. That is nothing like what John Howard did. She did not take this to an election.

Also, what the hell does Tony Abbotts religion have to do with anything? Has he stuffed it down our throats? No. TA does so much more in the public eye than any other polly. Yet people like yourself are afraid of him. The Labor propaganda has worked well.

Not a union man minux.

Nope. Unions of today are nothing but political tools who do nothing for workers. They promote unproductive workforces and can too easily bring down a business. Unions do jack squat for workers unless they plan to make something from it all.

[ephect]

ok so we are meant to be going green, save the environment.. why the #### are we paying sooo much for gas? its green, powers cars, cooks, heats. why remove the solar rebate scheme if they are soo serious, its all a smoke screen.

with the preposed ets, do you know farmers with arches of land will be exempt from claiming credits..