Ford v Holden, does it really matter?

[Full Spectrum]

It's just a inherent smoothness from an inline.. But as power delivery goes they don't do it very well at all, They don't offer linear power they give it in sections and burst only, Try kicking down if it's not in a spot it will not deliver for seconds, Which is why i like the all roundness of a V6 as you get what you wont when you need it there's no building rev's or sweet spots to hit you just drive.

I've said it in the past my brothers a Ford man and he has been asking for a V6 in a Ford for years he bitches all the time about his car being a slug, I had to do a 0-100 time for him just to believe me it's faster then he knows, But you cant miss it's power delivery it's all around the place.. You wait for it to go far to long at times, Comeon comeon go bang it hits you and off we go but if they just got it right from take off it would be a awesome engine and you wouldn't need a V8. That's not saying it's not already because it is but it could be mush better but it's come to a end now.
But you really got to here these things, Just like holden there are some noisy harsh ones and my brother isn't alone in this area, He wont buy another and since he wont buy a holden god knows what he thinks he will drive then?.

[1vngal]

Are they really that sluggish? I heard the BA XR's drive like ships but that was only one opinion. You own a BA don't you? What do you think of them handling wise?

My housemate's got a BA MK II XR6 and I've driven it quite a few times. It actually handles quite well, a lot better than I expected. I was expecting to it be fairly poor. But I was wrong. The seats are hell comfy too.

[minux]

It's just a inherent smoothness from an inline.. But as power delivery goes they don't do it very well at all, They don't offer linear power they give it in sections and burst only, Try kicking down if it's not in a spot it will not deliver for seconds, Which is why i like the all roundness of a V6 as you get what you wont when you need it there's no building rev's or sweet spots to hit you just drive.

I've said it in the past my brothers a Ford man and he has been asking for a V6 in a Ford for years he bitches all the time about his car being a slug, I had to do a 0-100 time for him just to believe me it's faster then he knows, But you cant miss it's power delivery it's all around the place.. You wait for it to go far to long at times, Comeon comeon go bang it hits you and off we go but if they just got it right from take off it would be a awesome engine and you wouldn't need a V8. That's not saying it's not already because it is but it could be mush better but it's come to a end now.
But you really got to here these things, Just like holden there are some noisy harsh ones and my brother isn't alone in this area, He wont buy another and since he wont buy a holden god knows what he thinks he will drive then?.

What are you on?The ford delivers the power MUCH better than any holden 6. Change the diff gears in a ford and watch it blow away the holdens. I don't understand what you are saying, i am yet to be in a falcon 6 where the power isn't there. Just because an engine revs hard when you boot it(like holden 6's) doesnt mean it is making power and going somewhere. Fords power is smooth and can almost give the impression nothing is happening you plant it.
Anyway, no point arguing, i guess you have owned enough of both cars yourself to make the judgement.

[JD]

i gotta agree with minux, my dads EFII Fairmont Ghia boots harder than ANY Holden 6 ive driven, even more than some 8's ( It is the Tickford motor though )

[Cobez]

My housemate's got a BA MK II XR6 and I've driven it quite a few times. It actually handles quite well, a lot better than I expected. I was expecting to it be fairly poor. But I was wrong. The seats are hell comfy too.

Ah ok! Well i only heard they were sluggish from one person so i thought i'd ask and get a few more opinions. I might see if i can get a chance to test drive a couple of the older ford 6's and then make my mind up.

[Cobez]

I was thinkin of investing in a BA XR6 ute, i have a few options for my next vehicle but haven't made my mind up yet.

[Guru Spook]

Sorry but i can't agree with the both of you based on experiences.. My VP has been a great car and i have not driven a better car for it's time.. As far as a ****box i think that's a total ****ed up way of calling an engine that has served holden great since 88.. Now i step into a Ecotec engine and I'm looking forward to renewing my relationship with this engine it has been 11 years since i drove a new VS Ecotec V6. My sisters BF his father both own Series 1 VN's, From driving them to my VP you can appreciate the large difference, In 2 area's, maintenance and care Cars go a long with with some basic TLC.

Now alloytec base engines 175-180 yes they are loud crude at times, But not the 195 engine at all it's a very good engine with plenty to offer.

Although I've never owned a Commodore V6, I've driven just about every example from the VN-VZ (Haven't driven a VE V6 yet), but I'm sorry too say the V6 has nothing on the Ford 6.

Yes in some cases they were more powerful, managing the Commodore too go faster than the Falcon, but that's chalk and cheese really.

They are rough, and unrefined. Though I admit the Alloytec is bringing Holden some hope.

Just can't believe they have only just managed too match the torque of a 1988 EA Falcon.

[Full Spectrum]

What are you on?The ford delivers the power MUCH better than any holden 6. Change the diff gears in a ford and watch it blow away the holdens. I don't understand what you are saying, i am yet to be in a falcon 6 where the power isn't there. Just because an engine revs hard when you boot it(like holden 6's) doesnt mean it is making power and going somewhere. Fords power is smooth and can almost give the impression nothing is happening you plant it.
Anyway, no point arguing, i guess you have owned enough of both cars yourself to make the judgement.

You don't understand what i am saying but you try insult me?..
Are we talking engines or modding them?.
No a Ford I6 as in BA onwards does not deliver it's power in a perfect way shape or form, Again Linear power look it up it does not deliver it's power in one single smooth increase of boost it brings it in patches it is very up and down all over the place.. Umm where did i say it wasn't powerful or power was completely none existed?, Infact i just said i took my brothers BA out if you read my post.

[Julie]

We bought our AU XR6 because it was an awesome deal, for a commodore made in the same year of the same quality we would have been looking at paying at least 3 times what we paid for the XR6. I have no allegiance to either ford or holden, I didn't join this forum because I'm a one eyed holden fan, but because we own a holden, I am also a member at ford forums lol. If I had the money now to buy either a brand new ford or brand new holden I'd be picking the one with the blue oval badge

[scrabet]

i am a holden guy but idont have any problem with fords just prefer holdens. i find my mates el manual goes better compaird to my mates el auto i hate the way it changes gears but at the end of the day i would own a holden over a ford.

[Lafanter]

I like holdens because they look better than fords. Other wise both are very simmilar in performance and comfort.

[180sc]

i am not biased towards ford or holden have owned both and will own both again. but for people saying eb 5.0L go alright i say bull**** to them. my neighbor had a 5.0l nf fairlane and my dad has an eb gli (poor pack) 5.0l and our xu6 smokes them both with ease and is heavier than both cars. my favorites of the modern fords would be el xr8 and anything ba onwards but i like alot more holden based on looks than fords but comfort ford wins they ride smooth and make great cars for distence travel but holdens are more fun to drive.

[J_D]

Well speaking from my own perspective, as someone who always does their own mechanical work I wont ever buy another Ford I6. Ive only owned one Ford (EA) and it was very hard to do almost any mechanical work to it, even replacing the spark plug leads is a major exercise. The Holden V6 is so much easier to work on, everything is easy to get at (with the exceptions of thermostat housing (VNs1) and fuel filter) and the pushrod design means if im ever in the unlucky position of having to do a head gasket again I dont have to stuff around with timing chains which makes the job so much easier.

When I had to do the head gasket in my EA it took me the best part of a day to do as I found out after stripping it down that the plastic timing chain guides were snapped so had to strip it down further than anticipated whereas when I had to do the same job on my VH it only took about 3 hours with next to no risk of finding more problems lurking inside after cracking the engine open.

[vztrt]

You dont have to agree. I am just stating what i believe after driving every model commodore since the VN in a 6 from buick to ecotech to alloytech, it is nowhere near as refined an engine as the ford 6.

That would be because an I6 is a better balanced motor the a V6. So even after the k's pile up it will still feel smooth.

It's just a inherent smoothness from an inline.. But as power delivery goes they don't do it very well at all, They don't offer linear power they give it in sections and burst only, Try kicking down if it's not in a spot it will not deliver for seconds, Which is why i like the all roundness of a V6 as you get what you wont when you need it there's no building rev's or sweet spots to hit you just drive.

I've said it in the past my brothers a Ford man and he has been asking for a V6 in a Ford for years he bitches all the time about his car being a slug, I had to do a 0-100 time for him just to believe me it's faster then he knows, But you cant miss it's power delivery it's all around the place.. You wait for it to go far to long at times, Comeon comeon go bang it hits you and off we go but if they just got it right from take off it would be a awesome engine and you wouldn't need a V8. That's not saying it's not already because it is but it could be mush better but it's come to a end now.
But you really got to here these things, Just like holden there are some noisy harsh ones and my brother isn't alone in this area, He wont buy another and since he wont buy a holden god knows what he thinks he will drive then?.

You'd probably feel that because your driving the POS 4sp with the tall gear in the Falcon. The car feels like a slug. With a manual behind the Falcon I6 you can feel the torque from the car as you put your foot down. I've driven VN with the auto, VR with the auto, VT/VX with the auto and a VZ with the auto. All feel gutless and you have to rev the engine out to get some power.

And if your brother thinks the new duratec V6 is gonna be great in the Falcon he is going to be dissapointed, as its not the I6 engine that problem, its the tall first gear.

[Astranomical]

For me, it would all depend on what Holden and what Ford....VY Exec vs BA XT, i'd probably go for the BA. VT-anything vs AU-anything, VT all the way. But yeah...if i was looking for a car, and there was better value to be found in the Ford equivilent, i'd probably go for it.

[Full Spectrum]

You'd probably feel that because your driving the POS 4sp with the tall gear in the Falcon. The car feels like a slug. With a manual behind the Falcon I6 you can feel the torque from the car as you put your foot down. I've driven VN with the auto, VR with the auto, VT/VX with the auto and a VZ with the auto. All feel gutless and you have to rev the engine out to get some power.

And if your brother thinks the new duratec V6 is gonna be great in the Falcon he is going to be dissapointed, as its not the I6 engine that problem, its the tall first gear.

He made the biggest mistake when he owned his EFII Fairmont Ghia, He converted it to a Manual. He did a good thing in getting a LSD from a EL XR6 but using it's 5 speed was a error, It didn't make the car feel any better sure we had fun dipping the clutch but the fun was gone after a week, He sold it 12 months later still cursing converting it to manual.
Then after buying the BA his still going on how he shouldn't have bought it, But he does say the BA is faster, Now he thinks it's slower then i do, I think it's quite fast but it's all over the place it's power.. I did this to prove to him it wasn't slow. YouTube - BA Fairmont I6 Auto 04 0-100

The tall gearing actually helps it keep it's max torque longer.. But not many believe this but a VE Calais has tall gearing and it's a 5 speed. Flat stick you will hit 87-88kmph in 1st i have done this.

Hew doesn't think the duratec will be great he doesn't think in magic balls, He has always said a V6 would be the better option and has wanted a change for many years, Open the bonnet and see the I6 it's truck like in size:my: a V6 will drop plenty of weight and after Orion Ford will build a car for that engine and then we will see the big change for the better.

[flyen]

i gotta agree with minux, my dads EFII Fairmont Ghia boots harder than ANY Holden 6 ive driven, even more than some 8's ( It is the Tickford motor though )

let me quess what v8's they were
the vn (when u owned it)
and mikes vp calais

they dont count cause they both have stuffed motors

[JD]

let me quess what v8's they were
the vn (when u owned it)
and mikes vp calais

they dont count cause they both have stuffed motors

im talking most 5.0L's ( reletivly stock ) ( inc the Vn with 185i in it )

[spanks]

I have a VY SS Ute and my wife has a BA XR8 sedan.I got the VY cause at the time i liked it better than the Falcon.My wife got the XR8 basically because she hates Commodores.Even though at the time the VY SS gave better features and value for money.But i have never let her forget the day that she said in a fit of rage(her car had significant problems after we got it,come to think of it,it still does i.e its a VERY sour lemon) that she should of bought the VY SS sedan.

So really i am not biased towards either brand.(unlike my other half)

If i was to buy a new car then its what i like at the time.
If it was an older model i was buying as a project or something then it would DEFINATELY be an old Valiant.....

[lukas pukas]

id love to get in a territory turbo! there so nice or the new fpv territory mmmm sexy

[Greekos]

haha its good to see everyones ganging on the imports, to me my commy has everything i need , i'd get an import but i i prefer my commy

[Low_VX_Taxi]

I have a VY SS Ute and my wife has a BA XR8 sedan.I got the VY cause at the time i liked it better than the Falcon.My wife got the XR8 basically because she hates Commodores.Even though at the time the VY SS gave better features and value for money.But i have never let her forget the day that she said in a fit of rage(her car had significant problems after we got it,come to think of it,it still does i.e its a VERY sour lemon) that she should of bought the VY SS sedan.

So really i am not biased towards either brand.(unlike my other half)

If i was to buy a new car then its what i like at the time.
If it was an older model i was buying as a project or something then it would DEFINATELY be an old Valiant.....

Sumfin bout the Xr8s! My cousin (mad ford man) bought a Xr8 ute (Bf I believe) spent literally a year now in and out of the shop (and more time in than out) BUT Fords been pretty supportive and have now offered him a new ute OR his original purchase price back.... cant argue with that kinda customer service.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

Ford v Holdens pffft save it for the V8 supercars! I go on each individual cars merits and wether they suite my tastes and needs....

Ford interiors (up to and incl. BA) arnt really my cup of tea, dont get me wrong the design is gr8 with everything in comfortable access (for the driver) but just... yes not my thing....

[NOT.BT1]

im currently in the market for another car and being a holden man it will no doubt be a commodore but if i see a ford or any other make that is cheap and do what i need it to do then i will buy it but if i was going to buy a new car it wouldnt be holden or ford i would buy a chrysler 300C i have always loved chryslers/ valiants

[PaRaDoX]

on ok car ford made, BA XR6T.... imo.. if its a 6 its gotta be turbo'd..

sure i know some people with nice fords but it just dosnt do it for me, you either like one or the other

other than that they're not every appealing to me, only a handful of v8s were released, my mate has a EF 5 speed and it goes pretty good but my vn n/a was as quick as his and his was making 128rwkw, compared to a whopping 100-105rwkw :P, now altho hes a ford man hes buying a VS v8 ute because he agree's you just cant get that kinda note out of a 6

on the other note we've owned a few older fords, ZC 302 windsor, XE ute 302 clev, and the ZC was a montor, as long as a school bus but it was a pimp car

imo BA XR6T for the win and nothing else :P FPV's are nice tho but meh u can do better for 80k